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Old 10-11-2018, 10:10 PM
 
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US involvement in Iraq was long term and widespread. What you state is true for the most part but never the less we were there when we should not have been. I wonder just what the duel use systems were too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...ran–Iraq_War

Suffice to say. US incompetence in foreign policy in our recent history is an astounding disaster. We're America's government worth anything at all we wouldn't be there.

Maybe we need to follow Russia's example.
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Old 10-12-2018, 01:13 AM
 
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You're right, rockets sometimes fail. None will have a perfect record and that's why the safety system exists and it functioned as intended. I'm no fan of Rogozin but I don't see why this is his fault. Is it that big of a deal? The first Dragon flight will be soon, but it keeps being delayed too. There is no hurry here, better to get it right.

He was engaged in the construction of the Eastern Cosmodrome (corruption). He has been reforming the industry for the last couple of years. Accident of Proton, the hole in the ISS, accident of Soyuz now... His reforms do not show efficiency.
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Old 10-12-2018, 01:51 AM
 
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Okay but its not 2014 anymore, the fascists lost the last elections and other than the Russian supported Donbas, Ukraine is stable. Putin is only pushing Ukraine away from Russia.
Any Russian ruler will continue this conflict. Russia cannot allow a large anti-Russian state on its borders, as Ukraine joins to NATO and will be a threat. The current Ukrainian government and the current Ukrainian ideology is anti-Russian. The Minsk agreements could have settled the conflict, but Kiev should change its slogans and attitude to Russian population of Ukraine. Ukraine should be independent, but not hostile to Russia, like Belarus. Now the situation is at an impasse, but Russia has more resources. Ukrainian government will be forced to change attitudes towards Russia sooner or later.

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Are you aware of how well Iraq has been doing compared to the lost decades under Saddam? I'm guessing this isn't mentioned much in Russian language media. It's still a mess but things are improving. I don't see people calling for another Saddam...

You are right, I am not interested in the current state of Iraq. I think this is a poor country after a war with destroyed infrastructure.
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Old 10-12-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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US involvement in Iraq was long term and widespread. What you state is true for the most part but never the less we were there when we should not have been. I wonder just what the duel use systems were too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...#8211;Iraq_War

Suffice to say. US incompetence in foreign policy in our recent history is an astounding disaster. We're America's government worth anything at all we wouldn't be there.

Maybe we need to follow Russia's example.
Iraq was a US client state and also friendly with the USSR. They received the go-ahead to attack Iran in the early 80's. The US started arming both parties when Iraq appeared to be gaining the upper hand. US/NATO supplied the chemicals Saddam used to gas the Kurds.

As for the Iraq-Kuwait dispute, it was telling that one of the principals in the company that sold the slant drilling equipment was the national security adviser Scowcroft for Bush. In any event, the policy for intervention was predicated by the diplomatic memorandum to Kuwait and a department paper on the US filling the Middle East power vacuum as a result of the fall of the Soviet Union. It was a matter of getting a friendly state Kuwait to set up the incident and staging propaganda for the media to sell the public on the war. The fake news about Iraqi soldiers pulling babies out of incubators is reminiscent of the child-based propaganda we see from the US recently.

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You are right, I am not interested in the current state of Iraq. I think this is a poor country after a war with destroyed infrastructure.
Iraq was doing better before the wars and the sanctions by the US. Their oil production was badly damaged as a result of the wars against Iran and the US. It is just now getting back to the level in the 1970's. Every time, the oil production reached the current level, it was engaged in another war, which prevented the growth of the economy. That's generally the case with many of the troubled countries as they're subjected to either wars or foreign sponsorship of terrorism.

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Old 10-12-2018, 02:53 PM
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Ahh Iraq is getting back to the level of the 1970s... the pre Saddam days! I'm not surprised to find Russians blaming Saddam's destruction of Iraq on America too. The parallels with current events are too many. Much like blaming Ukraine's rejection of Putinism on an anti Russian conspiracy.
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Old 10-12-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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I don't know that Russia has had much to say on Iraq as they weren't a client state. It's known that he was receiving aid from both US and Soviet intelligence services to put down rebellions and coup attempts. Iraq qualified more as a non-aligned state, but appeared to make the majority of their military procurement from the USSR which seems to be a major reason for invading or sanctioning countries in the last decade.

US urged Saddam Hussein to attack Syria as well as Iran

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US helped Saddam gas the Kurds

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Actually, oil production in Iraq peaked after the revolution in Iran while Hussein was in power. At the urging of the US, OPEC allies pumped more oil to make up for Iran's lost oil production.

There are obvious parallels from the Iraq war about how the US sells war in the media, whether it's Ukraine or Syria. Lies about WMD, lies about plans to invade an adjacent country Saudi Arabia, personalizing the conflict in a single personality Saddam, the mainstream media acting as an arm of the government in advancing the propaganda, and the use of children in fake news stories.

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Old 10-13-2018, 10:17 AM
 
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Suffice to say. US incompetence in foreign policy in our recent history is an astounding disaster. We're America's government worth anything at all we wouldn't be there.

Maybe we need to follow Russia's example.
Most of the things the media and the Pentagon howl about growing Russian influence in the MENA is due to stupid US misadventures. Russia has stronger relations with Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, and Turkey only because of the US wars and threats of more wars. They keep doubling down on past mistakes. If they follow Russia's example, the US already meddles in the governments in Latin America...

Turkey claims US 'journalist' Jamal Khashoggi recorded his own torture at the hands of Saudi security

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8582351.html

He was apparently eliminated as MBS is moving to clamp down on internal and foreign support for coup attempt. The cable intercept raises a lot of questions since Khashoggi worked for Washington Post which is the mouthpiece for State. Maybe they sacrificed him like the Brits did with the Skripals.
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Old 10-13-2018, 01:20 PM
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Only according to Putin/state propaganda does Russia has better relations with Turkey, Iraq and Libya.
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Old 10-13-2018, 01:35 PM
 
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This is a business. Money flows to where the maximum profit.
"Profitable" for whom exactly and why?


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Enhanced export diversification will begin only if it is profitable.
Again - "profitable" for WHOM and why?


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I think it was not predetermined.
It WAS predetermined, if the advancements/results of the revolution and civil war were to be kept.
All the Utopia of the "World Socialist Revolution" needed to be scrambled, and replaced with a practical approach of building the Socialist state in one "separate country," - the Stalin's way.

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And yes, Stalin did a lot of good for the country, it can not be denied.
Yes he did, being as ruthless dictator as he was.
However Putin's role is somewhat different.
Stalin didn't make mistake in his plans/calculations after all, developing HIS OWN ECONOMY, independent from the Western countries. And that's why the multi-polar world stayed in balance after the invention of the nuclear bomb.
Putin however made a major mistake, so the consequences of it have far more serious implications.


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The development of military production is impossible without the development of related areas. Russia is not a leader in the development of technology, but nonetheless research is being carried out, factories are being built, and so on.
How many have been built, comparably to how many have been closed since Soviet times, and what kind of factories are built now exactly?



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It is better to increase armament than to be like Ukraine. The world does not change. All Western talk about democracy and Western values is nonsense. Only Tomahawks and 7 The seventh fleet power matters.
I agree with that part.


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What was he supposed to do/should he do now?
Originally, this was not a question. The question was why I don't consider current Russian government to be "normal." I already explained, that any normal government that makes a major mistake in calculations resigns.
But in Putin's case it's only logical now to keep on arming the country to its teeth and to push the world to the WWIII.
Although I have to reiterate yet again that it's not Russia, but America started this whole process.
The way it's coming to an end is all too predictable. Always was.

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Old 10-13-2018, 04:38 PM
 
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I don't know a lot about the Russian Orthodox Church or the religion in general aside from the fact that they build beautiful churches and most Russian people still hold their spirituality dear to themselves as do many other believers the world over.

I also know that religion can be a flash point which can lead to terribly bloody conflict.

Kremlin Vows To Defend Russian Church Faithful In Ukraine Dispute

I also know that the nutters in Ukraine have one thing on their mind.

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Ukrainian interior minister Arsen Avakov warned that “if there is a need to counter extremism and religious hatred, we will act forcefully”.
This could get ugly.

Of course Putin and his people seem to be unwilling to take any decisive action.
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