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Old 01-30-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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https://meduza.io/live/2018/01/28/za...rossii-hronika


Lots of anti Putler, pro Navalnyi demonstrations today in Russia.
Doesn't seem like it amounted to much. A few hundreds per crowd in certain cities amounting to some 5000 participants. Some of the vids I watched contained footage of lots of college students and they were probably just there for the money. A few older people but I don't know who they were.

I also suspect Navalny is going to end up dead. He's of little value alive to the cause now. He'll be much more productive as a martyr in the media.
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Old 01-30-2018, 11:54 AM
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How about the new Stalin comedy? Looks hilarious... too bad can't watch in Russia, would give Putin's subjects ideas that Stalin was fallible.
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Old 01-30-2018, 11:56 AM
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No self-respecting Russian over the age of 25 (those old enough to have living memories of the 1990s - days the NATO West no doubt wish would return when it comes to all things Russia) will vote for him knowing he's gonna be a throwback to the bad old days of the 1990s if he gets his way!
Lol, no Russian over age 25 will vote for Navalny because Putin decides who is allowed to compete with him in the election.

I love the reference to the 90s btw. Thank God for Putin who will always protect Russians from the 90's!
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Old 01-30-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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Lol, no Russian over age 25 will vote for Navalny because Putin decides who is allowed to compete with him in the election.
Think about it. Do you want someone like Saakashvili running your country? Adolf Hitler? Gomer Pyle? Idi Amin Dada? Show me someone with a better plan, that doesn't include the destitution/destruction/degradation of the Russian nation. Please.

Considering the way my country is run with the lack of progress and deterioration of living standards in all respects among numerous other dilemmas it seems to me Russians are better served by their government than most Americans are. It certainly isn't any worse. We're being taxed to death here as our infrastructure rots, many of our mentally ill and elderly roam the streets rootless and in dire need of care while 100s of millions meant to address the problem seem to evaporate with no visible effect. America has been squandering wealth all over the world and for what?!!? 16 years and more than a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and where are we? Bombs still go off in Kabul and the Afghan airforce still can't even repair and maintain it's own aircraft. The Taliban holds sway over whole provinces. WTF?

Yes, Russia could use new blood at the top. THAT'S A FACT. Problem is there's nobody in the picture that can do the job.
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Old 01-30-2018, 01:52 PM
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You made my point. No real opposition is allowed, only fake ones who are inferior options. This isn't new, its how "managed" democracy works! You can argue all you want that somehow stagnant unreformed Russia is better run than America but the #'s belie your view.
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Old 01-30-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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You made my point. No real opposition is allowed, only fake ones who are inferior options. This isn't new, its how "managed" democracy works! You can argue all you want that somehow stagnant unreformed Russia is better run than America but the #'s belie your view.
I see your point. Who there (A) wants the job and (B) has the ability to do it? To me that's the key question. What mechanism can be put in place to enable those other people to be ferreted out and put in power?

Say you were working on a huge project like building a hydroelectric dam and had years of hard work and time into it. You've made great progress in building it and all has gone well. One day somebody walks up to you and says you need to be replaced for whatever reason or you develope some medical problems that will disqualify you from staying on the project. Wouldn't you want to have a say in who replaces you? You wouldn't want just anyone walking in and taking over would you?

I wouldn't want somebody whose popularity was the main qualification for replacing me. I would want someone qualified to do it and had the ability to do it.

When I was a single father and I met my second wife and her daughter I did not pay as much attention to her looks as I did her behavior concerning my child and even her own. Did I want this individual watching over my girl? Would our girls get along?

Considering the form of "democracy" I have serving me I can't disapprove of what Putin and his people are doing. They can stand on their merits. I get to vote for what is offered up to me by the system, a choice between dumb and dumber. I vote for a figurehead in one form or another. I have no say in who really holds the reigns of power in this country.

How is this any better than what the Russians do?
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Old 01-30-2018, 02:52 PM
 
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I'll give you one great example of how the will of the American people is disrespected entirely by the goverenment.

Should U.S. troops leave Afghanistan? | Debate.org

Your average American doesn't think we should be in Afghanistan. It's not even allowed up for debate.
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Old 01-30-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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It only seems to you that you live in a free country.In fact, all slightly different. If in case, the arrests happen quickly and without fanfare in the media because if the media that there will not publish the fact that they will exist exactly until the end of the day of publication and they are aware of this. In Arab countries, and the death penalty is possible to obtain, for publication on the Internet,there were precedents, slipped on the news as many of our opposition that pomelle, left for the West and sit there in prison or under investigation, and there tried to continue its policy against local authorities. So no need to tell how all good and bad in Russia.
Actually the Government owned TV stations tend to be leftist, unlike the current center/right Government in Australia and I hear all the time speakers on that show who are opposed to the current ruling government polices.

In addition the Communist Party of Australia has never been banned in the history of the country. Even though I don't hear the Communist party of Australia these days, there are certain political parties that are really Marxist in outlook and have offices in all the big cities of this country. Plus they are very active in universities, and they often hand out free newsletters in the public. They are very critical of the Australian government, and also to the American government as well. Here is an link to an article of them celebrating the foundation of the Russian revolution to establish a Soviet Republic: https://socialist-alliance.org/news/...ian-revolution

Even the so called "Russia Today" is easily available here and aware it is funded by the Russian Government.

However in Russia, Independent media has stricter censorship.

Not only that it has banned the Jehovah witnesses. Well as much as I don't agree with Jehovah Witnesses, I still think they should be free to practice their faith. They are harmless and no big threat to society. They renounce violence and are very anti war, as they refuse to fight in any wars.

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Old 01-30-2018, 04:34 PM
 
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How about the new Stalin comedy? Looks hilarious... too bad can't watch in Russia, would give Putin's subjects ideas that Stalin was fallible.
Number one - Russians ( for the most part) DO NOT UNDERSTAND and do not appreciate British sense of humor - they find it rather offensive overall ( even with no Stalin involved.)

And number two - the whole Stalin issue is rather controversial in Russia, and not because of "Putin" - it's rather the other way around. The authorities are rather concerned that Stalin's popularity is growing, because it's a message that general population is sending to Putin and his government. ( Meaning a hint that Stalin was a statesman, but not a corrupt official.)
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Old 01-30-2018, 04:51 PM
 
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However in Russia, Independent media has stricter censorship.
I don't know that to be true. Examples? Echomoskvee is highly critical of the Russian government and they still broadcast every day.

I do know in Amerian media saying or suggesting the wrong thing about Russia can cost you your career. Best just toe the line. I can't remeber the last time I read a story about something good or constructive concerning Russia. People who do are ignored, villified, mocked and on short notice, unemployed.
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