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Old 01-08-2018, 01:18 AM
 
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Institutional racism (also known as institutionalized racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. Institutional racism is also racism by individuals or informal social groups,[1] governed by behavioral norms that support racist thinking and foment active racism. It is reflected in disparities regarding wealth, income, criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power and education, among other things. Whether implicitly or explicitly expressed, institutional racism occurs when a certain group is targeted and discriminated against based upon race. Institutional racism is mostly implicit in our ideas and attitudes, so it is often unnoticed by the individual expressing it (see implicit bias).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

Now when it comes to FORMS - you need to check out those for the lower ladder of the society. Practically ALL kind of applications ( be that housing or energy assistance or what's not) ask about the race.

Yes, of course THERE IS institutionalized racism in the US - no doubt about it. It's simply rather more implicit than explicit. But it's there, never the less.

Tell me how, checking the box on the race question is going to affect negatively the person that is filling that form,...I'm all ears....
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:21 AM
 
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I'll let him answer all those questions. Let's just say he's not exactly the most popular person on the Canadian forum.
He makes a lot of good points though.

I get a ton of Quick Reputation messages from my Canada forum posts....

Truth sometimes hurts....the group on that forum unhappy with me is the "Canada is paradise" merry band of 3-4 individuals....
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Old 01-08-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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Tell me how, checking the box on the race question is going to affect negatively the person that is filling that form,...I'm all ears....
You are "all ears"?
Then here it goes.
All this information is collected for statistical purpose.
Then this information becomes available to different "think tanks" in politics, and sooner or later - to the rest of the public.
And now - would you be so kind to visit the "Politics" forum and pay attention to all those posts condemning the "leeches," the "hood rats" and the rest.
And then tell me again that racism is not institutionalized in the US.
Or why do you think they collect the data on race here?
Do they collect this type of data in Europe?
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Old 01-08-2018, 08:50 PM
 
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You are "all ears"?
Then here it goes.
All this information is collected for statistical purpose.
Then this information becomes available to different "think tanks" in politics, and sooner or later - to the rest of the public.
And now - would you be so kind to visit the "Politics" forum and pay attention to all those posts condemning the "leeches," the "hood rats" and the rest.
And then tell me again that racism is not institutionalized in the US.
Or why do you think they collect the data on race here?
Do they collect this type of data in Europe?
I don't think it's just because of the stats. It has more to do with the fact that it took the US about a 100 years to abolish slavery following it's independence. Even after that, segregation was widespread in the south for another century.

African Americans are still far more likely to get targeted by cops than Caucasians because of their skin color.

The census is probably the least offensive part of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that official censuses in the US do not require a person to specify their ethnicity or religion.
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Old 01-08-2018, 09:21 PM
 
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I don't think it's just because of the stats. It has more to do with the fact that it took the US about a 100 years to abolish slavery following it's independence. Even after that, segregation was widespread in the south for another century.

African Americans are still far more likely to get targeted by cops than Caucasians because of their skin color.

The census is probably the least offensive part of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that official censuses in the US do not require a person to specify their ethnicity or religion.



https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...e/US/PST045217


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Old 01-08-2018, 10:37 PM
 
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Zero tolerance policy has nothing to do with race....
It can be accompanied by profiling which often includes ethnicity and appearances suggesting ethnic background as criteria. The policy merely indicates there is a more rigid code applied to those people.
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Old 01-09-2018, 12:04 AM
 
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Protection against Russian hackers.


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Old 01-09-2018, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Oh, it took me 20 seconds...

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Old 01-09-2018, 02:16 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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I think it's important to collect data on how many people are in each ethnic/racial group. It helps you understand who the minority groups are, how many there are, and if they are being properly represented. Also with this data we can project that very soon the US will become a minority majority country, meaning that no racial/ethnic group will be a majority. I think such data is important. Also doesn't Russia collect such data too?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:27 PM
 
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African Americans are still far more likely to get targeted by cops than Caucasians because of their skin color.
Largely is a metropolitan legend and a convenient excuse for some sectors of the black community for not cleaning up their neighborhoods.....there is the occasional bad apple racist cop?? Definitely yes.....there are racists everywhere, including Canada.

You ignore the 800 pounds gorilla in the room......in some "hot areas", accidents can happen because some cops fear for their lives and that can make them trigger happy or prone to make mistakes....should we condone them?? No obviously but it has nothing to do with skin color.

It is a human nature.

The state of mind of a police officer stopping a normal black person for a traffic violation on a normal working class suburban area is going to be very different compared to stopping a car blasting rap music "f...the police" with guys (black or white) tattooed from head to toe, gold chains, etc... with a confrontational attitude in a "war zone"....again is human nature.


The inconvenient truth, crime statistics.....

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime

Blacks represent 13-14% of the population and commit 52% of murders.

93% of black victims are killed by blacks, 84% of white victims are killed by whites


I can guarantee that none of my black friends would be killed accidentally by the Police.

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