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You might want to read up on Wahhabism and the role that the British and the Saudis had in its origin and dissemination. The topic came up again soon after the 911 bombing and all fingers pointed to the Saudi royalty.
You might also do some searching on historical news on the funding of maddrassas in Pakistan by Saudi Arabia and the USAID to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. You might still find online the textbooks these schools used to indoctrinate kids in Islam and to preach the killing of Soviet soldiers. I understand that the bad publicity from his caused the University of Nebraska's Center for Afghanistan Studies to close all access to the site.
By maddrassas, I am including the military training camps that were training teenage Pakistani and others to gain the physical fitness to deploy in a ground war in Afghanistan and to handle weapons.
If you can comprehend the above correctly, you'll understand who is behind the radicalization ...
By the way, Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted that the US started training the Islamic freedom fighters in Afghanistan in 1977, two years before the Soviet invasion, and said it was worth 911. This is not to absolve the Soviets who tried to impose secular values on poor farmers with deep religious beliefts and helped turn the population against the Kabul government.
Sorry, didn't look at your videos. I don't consider the Taliban and Hezbollah equivalent to other groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS. They primarily represent a local population politically and militarily and are in existence in response to foreign occupations. I've been following the wars for a lot longer than these onsite sites existed.
OK, let's try it again.
Are you saying that if not for British/American forces, such thing as radical Islam wouldn't have existed at all?
( The video was not about the radical Islam so much, but about the implications for the region (neighboring countries), once Taliban will settle in. It's easier for me to let someone do all the talking, instead of me typing it all.)
OK, let's try it again.
Are you saying that if not for British/American forces, such thing as radical Islam wouldn't have existed at all?
( The video was not about the radical Islam so much, but about the implications for the region (neighboring countries), once Taliban will settle in.)
There's a big difference in capabilities between people who are taught militaristic religious beliefs and a group that's organized to participate in those activities as part of a campaign, such as a war. No, the latter mostly requires government support. The logistics of fielding, funding, and arming nearly 600,000 fighters against Assad goes well beyond the capabilities of almost all the governments.
There are expectations that Pakistan through the Taliban will deal with the small terrorist groups, such as ETIM, when they take over the government.
There's a big difference in capabilities between people who are taught militaristic religious beliefs and a group that's organized to participate in those activities as part of a campaign, such as a war. No, the latter mostly requires government support. The logistics of fielding, funding, and arming nearly 600,000 fighters against Assad goes well beyond the capabilities of almost all the governments.
All right, then WHO is arming ( fielding/funding) them, if it's "well beyond the capabilities of almost all the governments?")
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There are expectations that Pakistan through the Taliban will deal with the small terrorist groups, such as ETIM, when they take over the government.
WHOSE expectations are we talking about?
They are definitely not of the Indians, that consider Taliban as one terrorist group, with Pakistan directly supporting it ( following the video above.)
Some of it is also nationalism and they're repeating the tactics of the British in breaking up the Ottoman Empire. Might familiarize yourself with Seven Pillars of Wisdom.
Pakistan moved ETIM out. They are leaning on Afghanistan to do the same. Pakistan has been on the outs with two of the main terror financiers, US and Saudi Arabia, for several years. US, India, and Saudi Arabia were backing T-T-P (Pakistani Taliban) to try to bring down the government.
Turkey is also another backer of the Uighur resistance movement since they have the largest foreign population of 60,000 Uighurs.
Russia and China want it dealt with in Afghanistan; as the article stated the Chinese want to avoid attacks that require crackdowns on their local population that antagonize the ethnic groups.
Sorry, didn't look at your videos. I don't consider the Taliban and Hezbollah equivalent to terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS. They are popular militias which represents the local population politically and militarily and are in existence in response to foreign occupations.They may be harsh in their treatment of conquests, but the same can be said of the West and the communists.
Ohhh...
How could I've missed that)))
Well let me point where you are going wrong.
ORIGINALLY - yes, that's what Taliban USED to be.
The "popular militias" representing just one ethnic Pushtu group in Afghanistan ( that comprises less than 50% of Afghan population.)
And then, there were OTHER ethnic groups in the area of course, that were not happy with Pushtu usurping all the power under the banners of their radical agenda.
And that's why it was possible for Russians to get in touch with *other* and to build an opposition to Taliban. Those "other* were not as radical as Taliban, and could be trusted enough in helping them to build more stable and reasonable society.
But BY NOW, from what I hear from Russia/Tajikistan, after Americans being stationed there for quite some time, amazingly enough Taliban IS NOT all that "ethnic/exclusively Pushtu" any longer, but OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS back them up as well. ( As one specialist on the area said "That Khazars ( and other ethnic groups) would be siding with Pushtu, backing up Taliban now - that used to be unheard of. So the possibility to build the opposition - the way it existed before, is pretty much gone by now. It's a hopeless case.")
Oh, and not only that - Taliban is not "Taliban" any longer (i.e. the "popular militias that represents the local population in response to foreign occupation.")
It's the "Islamic Emirates" now, ready to welcome its "Islamic bros" from wherever they might come, and whoever they might be. ( Yes-yes, those very Al-Qaeda and ISIS groups including.) Because, as I said radical Islam has tendency to mutate and spread like virus.
Or, if you wish - small creeks and brooks are growing into one big river.
Some of it is also nationalism and they're repeating the tactics of the British in breaking up the Ottoman Empire. Might familiarize yourself with Seven Pillars of Wisdom.
Pakistan moved ETIM out. They are leaning on Afghanistan to do the same. Pakistan has been on the outs with two of the main terror financiers, US and Saudi Arabia, for several years. US, India, and Saudi Arabia were backing T-T-P (Pakistani Taliban) to try to bring down the government.
Turkey is also another backer of the Uighur resistance movement since they have the largest foreign population of 60,000 Uighurs.
Russia and China want it dealt with in Afghanistan; as the article stated the Chinese want to avoid attacks that require crackdowns on their local population that antagonize the ethnic groups.
Forget about the ETIM.
That's already something that concerns China, and China eyeing the "possible lucrative deals" and financial gains in Afghanistan, which is already a problem of its own.
Pakistan IS and always was the sponsor of radical Islam in Afghanistan, since it's an Islamic country.
Not India, which is not Islamic country. ( After all Pakistan used to be part of India, until Arabs conquered it and turned it into yet another Islamic enclave. So follow the trail throughout history.)
When it comes to Turkey ( yet another Islamic country,) it's only a matter of Erdogan dreaming/hoping to become that "Islamic leader" that would "unite and lead the Islamic world" at least in his part of the globe.
He wants more clout for himself and Turkey in the region, and that's why lately he is trying to stick his nose everywhere - be that Caucasus, Syria or Afghanistan. ( As long as it's not Gulf countries - there they look down at him, since the "true language of Quaran is Arabic."
Not Turkish.
If not for this fact, he'd probably be willing to become the leader of the pan-Islamism, as Turkey already had this idea in mind back in the 90ies, and I am pretty sure earlier back in history too.
"A recent advocate for Pan-Islamism was late Turkish prime minister and founder of Millî Görüş movement Necmettin Erbakan, who championed the Pan-Islamic Union (İslam Birliği) idea and took steps in his government toward that goal by establishing the Developing 8 Countries (or D8, as opposed to G8) in 1996 with Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Nigeria and Bangladesh. His vision was gradual unity of Muslim nations through economic and technologic collaboration similar to the EU with a single monetary unit (İslam Dinarı),[35]"
Of course Gulf Arabs would have always find their way to insert themselves in any Islamic movement, being the "royal bloods of Islam," so thanks lord that all these Islamic nations are still separated by their ethnic backgrounds and cultural differences that were already there long before they were Islamicized.
Otherwise the Christendom would have been in much worse shape ( and much bigger danger) than it is today.
And Russians out of all people understand better than anyone else the danger of this growing Islamic power/unification on its Eastern borders ( the Turks' desire to grab a bigger piece in Caucasus, Afgnanistan, Syria including.)
But unfortunately they have to deal with Ukrainian Taliban now, that's unleashed on its Western border, yet again with American help.
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Just one of many most likely though.