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Old 03-11-2022, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Unfortunately, the Russians that agree with us(I am sure there is a lot of them) have to usually stay silent over there when in Russia in fear of getting persecuted.

Really? I will tell you a terrible secret. Don't hand me over to the KGB, but... many Russians don't openly support the operation in Ukraine. And they even do it very talented.



https://youtu.be/12CsEuxN5vQ



https://youtu.be/m2GIF5_0RcM
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Old 03-11-2022, 03:10 PM
 
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Comrade Frolov, you re-post Russian bs that is a few days old and it is debunked already. You have no respect for the readers. Do you have a phone # for a complaint department? They need to crack the whip on you.
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Old 03-11-2022, 03:19 PM
 
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""Credible reports" and "bombing children's hospitals" is good. But can you show real evidence of the use of cluster munitions on civilian centers? Or do you have just another stupid accusation with evidence in the form of photos of victims who are Mariupol photo models?




https://i.ibb.co/P60nqMd/photo-2022-03-10-12-56-58.jpg



https://i.ibb.co/2hPMKh8/photo-2022-03-10-12-56-59.jpg



https://i.ibb.co/Fxg2FpF/photo-2022-...12-56-59-2.jpg

Maxim, explain to me more please about this Ukrainian model, the maternity ward ( I assume that's what it's all about,) and the whole story behind these pictures.

I've heard about it, but I still don't get it.
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Old 03-11-2022, 03:27 PM
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Location: Raleigh, NC
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""Credible reports" and "bombing children's hospitals" is good. But can you show real evidence of the use of cluster munitions on civilian centers? Or do you have just another stupid accusation with evidence in the form of photos of victims who are Mariupol photo models?
I'll just stick with the UN and the International Criminal Court, both of which are investigating Russian war crimes.
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Old 03-11-2022, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Maxim, explain to me more please about this Ukrainian model, the maternity ward ( I assume that's what it's all about,) and the whole story behind these pictures.

I've heard about it, but I still don't get it.

The bombing of the hospital in Mariupol (which Nebenzya had previously spoken, that there was a military base of the nationalists). World media circled photos of injured civilians. The main beauty in the photo is a model from Mariupol, who is really pregnant. But I don’t understand how she could be in a non-working maternity hospital and why she have different clothes in different photos. Nebenzya in UN, Ministry of Defense of the Russia and many bloggers (including relatively independent ones) are talking about a fake shelling of this maternity hospital.
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Old 03-11-2022, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Russia
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I'll just stick with the UN and the International Criminal Court, both of which are investigating Russian war crimes.

I await the results with interest.
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Old 03-11-2022, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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Russian use of cluster bombs in residential areas of Ukraine? There are plenty of still photos of the components that didn't explode, as well as some video of them striking residential areas. Nothing else looks like that - when you see a shower of small explosions in a small area, nearly simultaneously, this is the bomblets from cluster bombs exploding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IGoIh_dL8

and...
https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-c...arkiv-12554043

and...
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest...ian-civilians/
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Old 03-11-2022, 03:58 PM
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Really? I will tell you a terrible secret. Don't hand me over to the KGB, but... many Russians don't openly support the operation in Ukraine. And they even do it very talented.
Wow, sounds like you are almost already completely changing your own mind, and getting at alliance for those actually involved to just get out of Ukraine. That is solid news that lots of people in Russia aren't ever going to complete negative actions towards war in Ukraine. However, sadly not able to fulfill much because of the Kremlin governing system rules over there.

Yes, 1.5 Million signatures in Russia condemning the Ukraine war is actually much better than what happened to just 10,000 Protestors:
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-war-...-no-wa-1684398
I hope that reaches at least 100 million out of 144 million!

Remember, the rest of this World has to stay nice, civil, friendly to the Russians that are against the war. Otherwise, might get negatively influenced. Only abhor rightfully punish the ones that did it. At least 80% to 90% of Russian citizens still didn't ever contribute to war. Please continue to refrain, abstain, withhold from ever being a part of the issue. While staying civil or silent. Just don't join the army.

Only 100,000 to 200,000 of the Russia military reserve entered Ukraine... Out of 1 million-2 million active to reserve personnel in the entire unit. Only 10 to 20% of the entire Russia army are actually responsible of war crimes up to now. This might signify there are even a generous amount of ones from the Russia army that disagree with the conflict next door. And not wanting to fight against Ukraine. There is already calls to recruit foreign fighters from Syria. So, that is a good sign it's not everyone. Even among the Kremlin, Russian army.
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Old 03-11-2022, 04:00 PM
 
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Russian use of cluster bombs in residential areas of Ukraine? There are plenty of still photos of the components that didn't explode, as well as some video of them striking residential areas. Nothing else looks like that - when you see a shower of small explosions in a small area, nearly simultaneously, this is the bomblets from cluster bombs exploding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IGoIh_dL8

and...
https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-c...arkiv-12554043

and...
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest...ian-civilians/

Well, we already know that the "maternity ward" in Mariupol was used for the military purpose by Azov ( I will look more into it.)
But this is coming from the newly liberated from Ukrainian Army city of Volnovakha ( that's the where the fights between the LDNR and Ukrainian army is at its worst, compared with the times of the WWII, and that's where the majority of the Nationalist battalions are concentrated.)


Listen closely what the locals are saying about the actions of the UKRAINIAN ARMY;



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUwXnBDOmeY


Hmm... what would I trust more - the witnessing on the location, or some concocted videos by the media?



Decisions, decisions...
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Old 03-11-2022, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Russian use of cluster bombs in residential areas of Ukraine? There are plenty of still photos of the components that didn't explode, as well as some video of them striking residential areas. Nothing else looks like that - when you see a shower of small explosions in a small area, nearly simultaneously, this is the bomblets from cluster bombs exploding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IGoIh_dL8

and...
https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-c...arkiv-12554043

and...
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest...ian-civilians/

The Ukrainian army has the same types of weapons for multiple launch rocket systems. And who launched a particular projectile is not an easy task. In addition, Russia and Ukraine have not signed a convention to ban cluster munitions. Attacking a city with these types of ammunition is very bad, of course. But sometimes missiles fly in a wrong direction, and it is not possible to prove who used it (Russia or Ukraine) from video recordings.
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