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Old 12-09-2015, 12:34 PM
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Well, every region has its own dialect (not accent, accents only apply to foreign languages afaik), I am not even native, yet I can tell most of the dialects on the mainland apart by now, For native speakers that's even easier, and Madeira is just one of many, there is nothing distinct or special about Madeira.

Actually, in view of the distance I find it surprising how similar Madeirenses are to mainland Portuguese people.

I find the Azores more distinct somehow, and they feel different, more like Ireland

They sure think so and will remind you of it.

Dialect isn't a word used much out here in California the only people I hear using that word are Filipinos.

I like the comparison with Ireland(although not the eastern group of islands).
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:38 PM
 
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I don't mind old people, I am not the youngest anymore, either. But what this country needs is young people, not old ones.

Also, there is a fairness problem when old Portuguese people live on tiny pensions and in some cases can't even afford a meal every day, while retirees from abroad come here and buy expensive homes and so on.

Portuguese politicians are stupid, especially the recent government. Just think of that golden visa program or whatever it is called, where they allow rich foreigners to buy their way into the country. Of course it has turned into a corruption scandal, as usual. Not to mention the criminals from China, Russia, and elsewhere that have come via that program.
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:56 PM
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I don't mind old people, I am not the youngest anymore, either. But what this country needs is young people, not old ones.

Also, there is a fairness problem when old Portuguese people live on tiny pensions and in some cases can't even afford a meal every day, while retirees from abroad come here and buy expensive homes and so on.

Portuguese politicians are stupid, especially the recent government. Just think of that golden visa program or whatever it is called, where they allow rich foreigners to buy their way into the country. Of course it has turned into a corruption scandal, as usual. Not to mention the criminals from China, Russia, and elsewhere that have come via that program.



I'm not surprised.

There is a huge amount of youth with talent in the Portuguese diaspora that's who they should be reaching out to.
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Old 12-10-2015, 12:57 PM
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Well, every region has its own dialect (not accent, accents only apply to foreign languages afaik), I am not even native, yet I can tell most of the dialects on the mainland apart by now, For native speakers that's even easier, and Madeira is just one of many, there is nothing distinct or special about Madeira.

Actually, in view of the distance I find it surprising how similar Madeirenses are to mainland Portuguese people.

I find the Azores more distinct somehow, and they feel different, more like Ireland

As far a beauty goes I find Sao Miguel to the prettiest island in the Azores.

The American Expat that wrote the attached article sounds quiete happy living there.

The Azores of Portugal: Expat Paradise Off the Beaten Path - EFAM | Escape From America MagazineEFAM | Escape From America Magazine
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Old 12-12-2015, 07:33 AM
 
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I'm not surprised.

There is a huge amount of youth with talent in the Portuguese diaspora that's who they should be reaching out to.
The same can be said of the Italian diaspora.

Talented people seek, among other things, the opportunity for upward mobility. Fat chance the gerontocracy in countries like Portugal and Italy would allow it, hence taxation that asphyxiates any initiative from the moment of start up.

As a result, the talented and honest vote with their feet, the talented and dishonest suck up the corruption.
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Old 12-12-2015, 03:55 PM
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The same can be said of the Italian diaspora.

Talented people seek, among other things, the opportunity for upward mobility. Fat chance the gerontocracy in countries like Portugal and Italy would allow it, hence taxation that asphyxiates any initiative from the moment of start up.

As a result, the talented and honest vote with their feet, the talented and dishonest suck up the corruption.
I have an uncle that moved back 20+ years ago after being in the diaspora for over 20 years he met resistance initially and found out the only way to make off well is to schmooze with all the decision makers by wining and dining them and learning all the ropes. I know for a fact in the smaller to mid sized cities that's how you get your paperwork pushed ahead luckily he had a restaurant.
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Old 12-26-2015, 08:36 PM
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Old 12-28-2015, 01:59 PM
 
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Well, every region has its own dialect (not accent, accents only apply to foreign languages afaik), I am not even native, yet I can tell most of the dialects on the mainland apart by now, For native speakers that's even easier, and Madeira is just one of many, there is nothing distinct or special about Madeira.

Actually, in view of the distance I find it surprising how similar Madeirenses are to mainland Portuguese people.

I find the Azores more distinct somehow, and they feel different, more like Ireland
While it is true that there are regional dialects in mainland Portugal, European Portuguese is relatively homogeneous linguistically especially compared with other European countries. The differences where they exist tend do be on pronunciation, as even with the islands there grammar and vocabulary is largely uniform.
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Old 12-28-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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While it is true that there are regional dialects in mainland Portugal, European Portuguese is relatively homogeneous linguistically especially compared with other European countries. The differences where they exist tend do be on pronunciation, as even with the islands there grammar and vocabulary is largely uniform.
Depends on the level the language is spoken at. Educated people speak a much more similar Portuguese across the country.
But older and less educated people often speak dialects which are hard to understand for someone from another part of the country. It is indeed mostly about pronunciation and vocabulary, each region has lots of terms that are not known in other regions.
There is a little series of books for various dialects, it is called Heróis à moda de ..., currently available for Porto, Lisbon, the Alentejo, the Algarve, Madeira, the Azores, Trás-os-Montes and probably some more regions.
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Old 12-28-2015, 03:17 PM
 
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Depends on the level the language is spoken at. Educated people speak a much more similar Portuguese across the country.
But older and less educated people often speak dialects which are hard to understand for someone from another part of the country. It is indeed mostly about pronunciation and vocabulary, each region has lots of terms that are not known in other regions.
There is a little series of books for various dialects, it is called Heróis à moda de ..., currently available for Porto, Lisbon, the Alentejo, the Algarve, Madeira, the Azores, and probably some more regions.
I agree to some extent when it comes to local words, but the only time I've been all over the country and the only time I have ever had to some trouble was in São Miguel. Even the regionalisms are often a few words and at least I've never had an issue understanding even older people. It certainly is not even as extreme as the situation in Great Britain where certain regional dialects are so different from one another.
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