Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Europe
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-15-2020, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
27,141 posts, read 13,429,141 times
Reputation: 19440

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by erasure View Post
Jeez...
It's already coming even to this?
The UK is not deploying battleships it's deploying offshore patrol vessels whose normal role includes fishery protection and other such duties.

The Royal Navy has always had a fishery protection squadron, and it dates back to 1481.

Fishery Protection Squadron - Wikipedia

The bad new for Brussels is that in a no deal situation, Norway has stated that it may block EU fishing boats in a no deal situation, due to talks on management and quotas not being successful.

Whilst at the same time the EU's fishing quota in the western mediterranean is to be halved, in an agreement between the EU and Africa/Middle Eastern nations that fish the area.

Norway says it could block EU, British fishing vessels from Jan 1 - Reuters

At the same time the UK has signed fishing agreements with Norway, Faroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland, and will be willing to work on quotas.

UK and Norway sign historic fisheries agreement - GOV.UK

UK and Iceland sign fisheries agreement, stepping up cooperation -Seafood Source

UK and Greenland strengthen cooperation on fisheries - GOV.UK

Britain is prepared to allow some fishing under annual quotas which would align with environmental quotas to prevent the decline of fish populations and a total allowable catch (TAC) for each stock of fish—a particular species of fish caught in a particular area—to prevent overfishing.

The parties could determine these quotas through a joint committee between the EU, the UK, and the International Council for the Exploration of the Sea (ICES)—an international scientific body which would make recommendations on appropriate environmental quotas.

However the quotas would need to be set annually and UK fisherman would of course be given a significant percentage of annual quotas.

This is how fishing generally works in terms of agreements between independent sovereign coastal states.

As for the level playing field and governance, the plan is to set up an independent resolution body separate to the European Court of Justice, and negotiations are on-going as to what areas this would include.

The alternative is a no-deal which would see Britain tear up lots of other European agreements and go it's own way, and is the preferred way forward in relation to many hard line Brexiteers.

Last edited by Brave New World; 12-15-2020 at 06:16 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-15-2020, 10:36 AM
 
2,289 posts, read 1,565,832 times
Reputation: 1800
Quote:
Originally Posted by euro123 View Post
It seems so, despite my sensationalist wording it's pretty much the case:



https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-ar...-deal-12158624
In the Brexit thread in the UK forum, I suggested that BoJo's new moniker should be:
Boris, the Bismark of the lobster pots......
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-15-2020, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
15,507 posts, read 6,425,885 times
Reputation: 4831
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerys52SoSilver View Post
Never. There is maybe more chance of countries breaking up into smaller countries which have distinct different states/areas/cultures/better economy. Like in the past history of Europe.
This has been part of the plan.

The EU was furthest away in 1870 when there were a few big countries.

Now there will be a lot of small ones that need to join the EU for wealth. Smaller countries are weaker so they can be absorbed easily.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-15-2020, 02:25 PM
 
602 posts, read 495,590 times
Reputation: 814
"When will the EU become a single country?"

This is a question EU sceptics have been asking for nearly 30 years since the Maastrich treaty, and I bet they will continue to do so for the next 30 years.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-15-2020, 04:06 PM
 
26,778 posts, read 22,526,584 times
Reputation: 10037
Quote:
Originally Posted by erasure View Post
Deep inside they DO know that they ARE Europeans, they just often don't like to admit it publicly, cause that would interfere with them feeling so "special")))

( Sort of like the Englishmen feel about themselves.)

To those of you that still have doubts that Russia was always ( albeit a reluctant) part of the European family, ask yourself -

Where would you place "The Nutcracker"?
Tolstoy? Dostoyevsky?
Shishkin?

Makovsky?

Polenov? Perov? Ivanov?

( Russian world of painting is so huge - I won't even go there. )


So where do you think you can place all that (because these are all the "staples" of the Russian culture)?

In what part of the world?
Asia? Africa? Latin America or what?

Although the answer is kinda obvious, I don't think anyone should hold their breath for "a single country from Lisbon to Vladivostok." )
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-15-2020, 06:02 PM
 
26,778 posts, read 22,526,584 times
Reputation: 10037
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave New World View Post
The UK is not deploying battleships it's deploying offshore patrol vessels whose normal role includes fishery protection and other such duties.

The Royal Navy has always had a fishery protection squadron, and it dates back to 1481.

Fishery Protection Squadron - Wikipedia

The bad new for Brussels is that in a no deal situation, Norway has stated that it may block EU fishing boats in a no deal situation, due to talks on management and quotas not being successful.

Whilst at the same time the EU's fishing quota in the western mediterranean is to be halved, in an agreement between the EU and Africa/Middle Eastern nations that fish the area.

Norway says it could block EU, British fishing vessels from Jan 1 - Reuters

At the same time the UK has signed fishing agreements with Norway, Faroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland, and will be willing to work on quotas.

Oh I see now - that's what it is all about.
Gotcha.

I understand that for the sea-faring nations fishing is a serious matter.

( I assume that fish plays an important role in your country's diet, hearing on numerous occasions about the "fish and chips" being something staple in UK?)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-16-2020, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
27,141 posts, read 13,429,141 times
Reputation: 19440
Quote:
Originally Posted by erasure View Post
Oh I see now - that's what it is all about.
Gotcha.

I understand that for the sea-faring nations fishing is a serious matter.

( I assume that fish plays an important role in your country's diet, hearing on numerous occasions about the "fish and chips" being something staple in UK?)


Britain enjoys sea food including fish and chips.

However the issue is also about national sovereignty, and every nation with a coastline is entitled to it's own economic zone, and there are environmental factors related to over fishing which also need to be considered, especially in relation to cod and other such species.

Every nation is also entitled to set it's own laws and rules/regulations.

You would think the EU were doing us a massive favour by giving us a trade deal when in reality they make a fortune out of the UK and have a vast trade surplus with us.

The Swiss have virtually the same regulations as the EU, yet we easily managed to do a trade deal with them.

The EU is now run on threats and punishments to keep everyone in line and to stop nations leaving, and it is no longer a trading organisation, and it is seeking to extend it's powers ever more.

In terms of the UK we were too economically important for them to stop from leaving, and a no deal will damage their own economies as well as future relations with the UK in numerous important areas.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-22-2020, 02:57 PM
 
2,400 posts, read 782,300 times
Reputation: 670
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterfall8324 View Post
This is obviously the best (and only) case scenario for European countries to go down as it will unify many countries in a global economy and end needless nationalism of minor countries (replaced by light hearted pride)


When will European leaders agree on this and who is holding them back. It makes no sense and no argument can be made against it.
It's an idiotic propositioin and will and should NEVER happen. A far better solution is to dissolve the EU in totality. Countries don't want to unify, that is what makes them countries, i.e. being separate. Unification is moronic.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-05-2021, 04:29 PM
 
106 posts, read 57,626 times
Reputation: 138
Farage's prediction is that the EU will last for about 10 more years.

Those detesting the EU the most are currently Hungary, Poland and Italy.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-06-2021, 01:29 AM
 
602 posts, read 495,590 times
Reputation: 814
Quote:
Originally Posted by DropABottleOfPopOff View Post
Farage's prediction is that the EU will last for about 10 more years.

Those detesting the EU the most are currently Hungary, Poland and Italy.
Can you back that claim up with statistics?

Kaczyński and Orbán are wannabee autocrats, but in those countries there are generally a pretty good opinion of EU among the populations.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Europe

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top