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Old 02-25-2010, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Paris, France
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One thing that many people forget to take into consideration is that their upbringing has taught them to prefer what they have always known. With few exceptions, the U.S. is the best place for Americans to live and France is the best place for the French to live. Mentalities, food, leisure activities, family relationships, personal priorities, etc., are all different in each country, making a lot of comparisons meaningless. If the French started using statistics like "France has 100 times more bidets than the U.S. has, so that proves that France is better," everybody would laugh their ass off, but quite often some of the American comparisons are quite similar. "We have this and the French don't, so that makes us better!" -- without bothering to consider that maybe the French don't want that thing.

Naturally, each place will always have malcontents who find everything wrong with their own country and everything better in another country, even if they have never been there, just as there will always be chauvinists who dogmatically think their own country is the best in the world and will always find a contradictory explanation if any proof is offered to the contrary.

Sometimes there is a really interesting poll that underlines the differences between countries in subtle ways that say a lot about the mentality. I remember one international poll that asked people what is the most important quality that the president should have.

The people in the United States said "integrity."
The French said "intelligence."

Perhaps integrity was #2 on the French list and intelligence was #2 on the American list, which would indicate that the opinions are really not all that far apart, but just the fact that #1 is different shows that there is a different mind set in the two countries, and different values, invalidating the whole concept of "best."
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Old 02-25-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: southern california
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that is bek france has supported and been very active in unions and has fought with them against illegal immigration and chinese goods dumping for 40 years. the french fight for their jobs. that is why they have a good life, they fight for it. as for us, the golden goose is headed for the oven.
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Old 02-25-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: MN
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there is no 1st Amendment in the French Constitution, repeat after me : THERE IS NO 1st AMENDMENT IN THE FRENCH CONSTITUTION...
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there have been 18 amendments to the current constitution
So there is a 1st Amendment in the French Constitution. There is even a 18th Amendment.
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Old 02-27-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Flint, TX
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The average executive wage is 50K$ a year, and you do quite less with 1 Euro in F than with 1 $ in the US.

Where do you get this drivel? The average family doctor makes about $100k per year and the average university teacher makes $85k. An ER Nurse makes about $30 an hour and an electrician makes about $23 an hour.

Some things, like gasoline are more expensive but other things, like public transportation are cheaper and other things are roughly the same, like food.

Paris is very expensive but then its the most visited tourist city in the world and, even then, its considerably cheaper than London.
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Old 02-27-2010, 03:26 PM
 
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Where do you get this drivel? The average family doctor makes about $100k per year and the average university teacher makes $85k. An ER Nurse makes about $30 an hour and an electrician makes about $23 an hour.
Any doctor making less than $100k is either working part-time or in semi retirement. The grass is greener on the other side.
url address: health.gov.bc.ca/msp/legislation/pdf/MSC_Financial_Statement_2009_complete.pdf
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Old 02-27-2010, 03:27 PM
 
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So jealous.

Wishes things would change in this country....
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Old 02-27-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Flint, TX
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you will go to jail if you say I do not believe the holocaust happened

Exactly. Those are the provisions of the orwellian and infamous 1990 Loi Gayssot (named after the Communist MP who initiated that law at the National Assembly).
See, my friends the American French ass lickers, there is no 1st Amendment in the French Constitution, repeat after me : THERE IS NO 1st AMENDMENT IN THE FRENCH CONSTITUTION...
In France its the 11th Amendment which states:

The free communication of thoughts and of opinions is one of the most precious rights of man: any citizen thus may speak, write, print freely, save [if it is necessary] to respond to the abuse of this liberty, in the cases determined by the law.

French law prohibits public speech or writings that incite to racial or religious hatred, as well as those that deny the Holocaust.

Just because some group of crackpots want to spread hate through lies and obvious falsehoods to which not a single sane person in the world subscribes doesn't mean that such speech must be allowed.
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Old 02-27-2010, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Flint, TX
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Any doctor making less than $100k is either working part-time or in semi retirement. The grass is greener on the other side.
I was referring to wages in France to rebut the notion that the Average French CEO makes only $50k.
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Old 02-28-2010, 05:41 AM
 
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One thing that many people forget to take into consideration is that their upbringing has taught them to prefer what they have always known. With few exceptions, the U.S. is the best place for Americans to live and France is the best place for the French to live. Mentalities, food, leisure activities, family relationships, personal priorities, etc., are all different in each country, making a lot of comparisons meaningless.........
Thank you for a thoughtful and reasonable comment in what has otherwise been largely a childish fight in the sandbox.
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Old 02-28-2010, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Thank you for a thoughtful and reasonable comment in what has otherwise been largely a childish fight in the sandbox.
I agree, that was an excellent post. Sometimes I think perhaps I'd like to live in France, but I've never even had a chance to visit so I don't know for sure. It certainly looks like a beautiful country, and their views on leisure and work seem to align very much with my own (from what I've read). I'll just have to take a trip and find out for myself.
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