[AsgardDevice]

Originally Posted by chopchop0

And the labor union sure as hell doesn't have to control who can and cannot work for an employer. Amen to the free market. Without the employer, labor would not. exist. Exhibit A: general motors. Lucky for the uaw that obama was potus in 2009

Answer two to the OP.

It's a sign that you may have a lot of low IQ residents that are easily manipulated, like the one I am replying to.

[UKWildcat1981]

Right to work states kinda suck but it is what is is. I rather have unions but most of the South is full of right to work states.

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by AsgardDevice

Answer two to the OP.

It's a sign that you may have a lot of low IQ residents that are easily manipulated, like the one I am replying to.

Did the afl-cio or seiu tell you to say that?

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by UKWildcat1981

Right to work states kinda suck but it is what is is. I rather have unions but most of the South is full of right to work states.

In the last few decades, all of the auto manufacturers have set up shop in states like Alabama, tx, sc, ky etc. In talking about bmw, mb, kia, Toyota etc. There's a reason why Detroit wasn't on their list

[mr&mrssunshine]

I have been both an employee and employer and have NEVER been pro union.

I saw what they did/tried to do to the Uk in the 70s/80s.....unelected (often communist ) union officials would strike for no reason other than to try and bring down the elected government. Ford in the Uk at one time was run and nearly crippled by Unions. The miners were led into oblivion by Arthur Scargill whose only agenda was to destroy the government.

Now years on, my feelings haven't changed. HOWEVER as an employer in Fla, I despise the at will legislation, it basically means employees are in fear of losing their job, sadly this often means they put in the bare minimum of effort because they see no point in trying hard when they could be fired tomorrow.

I try and treat anyone who works for me with respect and show them they are valued. last July 3rd I delivered a case of beer to concrete guys and masons working on my jobs. At Christmas my handyman worker got a cash bonus. was it huge ? NO, but I hope it made him feel appreciated. Treat people as you would want to be treated. It was a lesson taught me by a wonderful man and great boss 30 years ago. I hope I live up to his standards

[Not_liking_FL]

Originally Posted by chopchop0

In the last few decades, all of the auto manufacturers have set up shop in states like Alabama, tx, sc, ky etc. In talking about bmw, mb, kia, Toyota etc. There's a reason why Detroit wasn't on their list

Then there is VW in Chattanooga where VW executives were left scratching their heads when it's workers voted against the union. VW's neutrality on the issue was not going over well with Republican leaders in TN who threatened to take away tax incentives if the workers unionized. IIRC, one of these politicians even made a false claim about the future expansion of the plant hinged on them voting against the union.

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by Not_liking_FL

Then there is VW in Chattanooga where VW executives were left scratching their heads when it's workers voted against the union. VW's neutrality on the issue was not going over well with Republican leaders in TN who threatened to take away tax incentives if the workers unionized. IIRC, one of these politicians even made a false claim about the future expansion of the plant hinged on them voting against the union.

Happens a lot, and not always because of intimidation unlike what left wingers like to insinuate

FedEx Freight workers in Louisville vote against union membership
Yahoo!

[Spring Hillian]

Labor has wised up. Unions do nothing for the employee except made ridiculous demands on Employers which keep the Employer from being profitable without raising the costs of their services through the roof.

[Not_liking_FL]

Originally Posted by chopchop0

Happens a lot, and not always because of intimidation unlike what left wingers like to insinuate

FedEx Freight workers in Louisville vote against union membership
Yahoo!

Not always, but in the example I gave politicians did seem to play a major role.

It's ironic that VW was not against, but seemed to even favor union representation and the workers voted against their own interest. Oh well....makes you wonder about the folks who work there.

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by Not_liking_FL

Not always, but in the example I gave politicians did seem to play a major role.

It's ironic that VW was not against, but seemed to even favor union representation and the workers voted against their own interest. Oh well....makes you wonder about the folks who work there.

Most non union workers now are making around the same wage as newer "low tier" uaw workers who get the privilege of working next to ppl older than them who are making more for the exact same job. In some cases, they are probably making more, and those nonunion guys don't have to fork over a % to the uaw


Closer Look at Union vs. Nonunion Workers

UAW, auto workers, South: UAW has trouble getting Southern autoworkers to join union - Los Angeles Times

UAW Losing Pay Edge: Foreign Automakers' Bonuses Boost Wages in U.S. Plants as Detroit Car Companies Struggle: aftermarket News