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Going by the definition of Primate city via your link makes ATL is primate of GA not the south.
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A primate city (Latin: 'prime', 'first rank'[1]) is a city that is the largest in its country, province, state, or region and disproportionately larger than any others in the urban hierarchy.[2] A primate city distribution is a rank-size distribution that has one very large city with many much smaller cities and towns, and no intermediate-sized urban centers: a King effect, visible as an outlier on an otherwise linear graph, when the rest of the data fit a power law or stretched exponential function.[3] The law of the primate city was first proposed by the geographer Mark Jefferson in 1939.[4] He defines a primate city as being "at least twice as large as the next largest city and more than twice as significant."[5] Aside from size and population, a primate city will usually have precedence in all other aspects of its country's society such as economics, politics, culture, and education. Primate cities also serve as targets for the majority of a country or region's internal migration.
The region:
The American South
Georgia
South Carolina
Alabama
Mississippi
Tennessee
North Carolina
Louisiana
Arkansas (including Missouri south of U.S. Route 60)
Kentucky (minus Cincinnati suburbs, but including Missouri Bootheel))
North Florida (north of Orlando)
South Virginia (from just north of Charlottesville on southward, including most of Shenandoah Valley and the part of West Virginia south of Charleston)
The NYC (or Capital or Primate City) of The American South: Atlanta
Going by the definition of Primate city via your link makes ATL is primate of GA not the south.
It covers a much bigger portion than just Georgia. Basically Raleigh to Jacksonville and Charleston to maybe Memphis, I’d say is Atlanta’s main stomping ground. Raleigh is closer to DC, but it looks South instead of North.
That's backwards I think. A larger county is what would add a lot of insignificant square mileage. For example the Inland Empire in California which is nearly 30K sq mi. simply because it contains two humongous counties which are mostly wilderness.
None of those small Georgia counties are being included unless they have significant ties to the core city, which is how MSAs are measured. Atlanta is a low density area by design, and that's reflected in its urban area numbers which don't even take counties into consideration:
If we're talking abut one large county yes but because the outer Atlanta counties are so small and rural, there are like 10-15+ counties that are added and add nothing to the population. Those counties added all together make up more than half the square mileage of the metro area but probably are only 10% of the population Since they have such a small population to begin with it doesn't take much for them to be meet the commuter threshold required to be added to the MSA but the bulk of the people live in Fulton, Gwinnett, Cobb, Dekalb, Clayton, Cherokee, Forsyth, and Henry counties. This pretty much is similar to the effect of adding one large county. You're surrounded by rural areas that don't add much to the population.
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I’m not commenting on the rest of it, but that was a rather clever way of boosting Miami’s demographic profile. Miami gets large scale immigration from one region: the Americas. That isn’t true of NYC nor is it true of Texas. Miami has no African or Asian culture to speak of but NYC has a lot of both. Miami’s diversity is always the hardest to rank because it’s super diverse in one region but non-existent in others.
As to whose demographics are closest to NYC in the South, none are. As to which city is the NYC of the south, none are.
Ok a couple of things are wrong in this post. First is your comparing metro areas to city propers to counties. Second how exactly is the Dallas and Houston metro's diversity more like NYC (or the NYC metro) than the Miami metro? Other than the Houston and Dallas metros having 4 percent more of the population being asian I'm just not seeing it. The Miami metro's hispanic, black and white populations are much more diverse (and resemble NYC's demographics more) than the Houston and Dallas metros. Plus the Miami metro has by far the largest concentration of current and ex-New Yorkers in the country.
And the importance of these areas is also debatable. Sure they might have a larger economy (the metro total GDP difference is around 30%, and only 13% for the Miami metro vs Atlanta metro) but that's just one small aspect of importance. There are large economies everywhere in the U.S. The extra GDP of the Houston and Dallas metros compared to the Miami metro doesn't even move the needle at all when looking at the entire U.S. economy. I understand the whole oil thing that Houston has going on but is oil even a good thing these days?
What about how unique each area is to the U.S.? (and to the world for that matter) What about how strong the brand image of each of these places are that is broadcast around the world? Which area is more important to the wealthy? More important to tourists? More important to celebrities? More important to people seeking good nightlife? (which is super rare in the U.S.) More important to people who love water? Love density and tall buildings? Want a lot of urban world class shopping and dining areas? More important to more countries around the world? Etc. Etc.
Miami takes this poll easily. Some people probably don't even consider Miami "Southern" so they don't vote for it, just like I've seen in some other threads.
Atlanta is the least dense urban area over 5 million people in the entire world and the Miami urban area is 3 times as densely populated. City-Data is funny.
Miami's Latin population is still Latin. Houston is Latin, black, middle eastern, white, Asian, Wallet Hub, and the US. Census have Houston as 1st in diversity or Top 5. Houston City area is over 600 square miles, big as some counties. Dallas/FW is 1.6 million more people than metro Atlanta. This study ranks Houston as THE most diverse MSA. https://www.houstoniamag.com/news-an...of%20a%20point.
Second, Miami does come close to either Houston or DFW in economic importance, nor does the state of Florida. And Texas isn't just oil. Florida has 19 Fortune 500 companies. Texas has close to SIXTY, adding two more this Summer. Even if Texas were to net out is Energy-related Fortune 500 companies, it would still have DOUBLE what Florida has. Both Houston and D/FW alone each have more big companies than the whole state of Florida! The state has large Tech companies, large retailers like Penney's, Sally Beauty Supply, Fossil Watches, Mens Wearhouse, Frito Lay, Smoothie King, GreyHound Bus, Dickie's workwear, Neiman Marcus, several national restaurant chains like Pizza Hut, two airlines based here, Railroads based here. DFW, Atlanta and Charlotte are the financial hubs in the Sunbelt because of their status as regional federal bank regulatory centers and/or home to Bank of America and regional offices of financial center banks. Name a big bank campus in southeast Florida. JPMChase has a new $1.3 billion campus is suburban Dallas. BofA has 60 story story in Dallas. Comerica Bank is based in Dallas.
Miami isn't more important than globally than either Atlanta or the big Texas cities. Its important mainly to Latin America as evidenced by its population but lack of big corporate HQs.
Which area is more important to the wealthy? This here tells me you have done no research. I've searched several sights and nowhere does Miami-dade rank high. The area's median income is not even in the top 25. People may have SECOND homes in Miami but they earned that money in places like Cali, NYC, ATL and Texas. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...per-capita-us/. This graph I've included here, well the one GLARING omission in the Top 20 is FLORIDA. Texas, Cali, GA.
I've been to Miami, it does have some good shopping and dining. But it doesn't out rank ATL or the Texas towns and I've been to south Florida several times, and lived in the other cities. People who love water don't need to go to Miami. The whole state of Florida has it and the beaches of the Panhandle are nicer. Houston is 50 miles from the coast. Dallas has several lakes surrounding the area.
Chicago is the NYC of the midwest and San Francisco is the NYC of the west, but there really isn't an NYC of the south. Miami is the NYC of Latin America, definitely not 'the South'. DFW isn't part of the South. That just leaves us with Atlanta or arguably Houston, but neither feel at all like NYC to me so I don't think they even qualify for comparison.
agree, no city of the sunbelt is NYC. How do you say Houston is part of the south but not Dallas? I -45 runs through both metros. I
Why do people think that the Houston and Dallas metros are more diverse than the Miami metro?
Because Miami's diversity comes only from one region: the Americas.
That isnt the case with Dallas and especially Houston which bring in people from a much larger variety of regions.
Is Miami's black population more similar to NYC? Maybe. Like NYC, Miami has a large number of black residents from the Caribbean. Unlike NYC, Miami lacks any sort of black community from Africa but Houston and DFW do have that.
The white community in Miami is a lot more similar to NYC for sure. Thats primarily because there are so many people from NYC in South Florida.
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