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View Poll Results: Which city/metro area is truly the NYC of the South?
Dallas-Fort Worth, TX 9 8.49%
Houston, TX 17 16.04%
Miami, FL 32 30.19%
Atlanta, GA 72 67.92%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 106. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-23-2021, 07:38 AM
 
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Why do people think that the Houston and Dallas metros are more diverse than the Miami metro? Other than having only 5% more of the metro population being asian, the Miami metro's hispanic, black and white populations are all more diverse and resemble NYC's demographics more. Plus the Miami metro has many more strong dense cultural enclaves than the Houston and Dallas metros, which NYC does also.

Miami/Fort Lauderdale/Pompano Beach - 6,138,333
Hispanic: 2,815,574 - 45.9%
White: 1,785,506 - 29.1%
Black: 1,194,334 - 19.5%
Asian: 164,186 - 2.7%


Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington - 7,637,387
White: 3,266,374 - 42.8%
Hispanic: 2,235,234 - 29.3%
Black: 1,220,934 - 16.0%
Asian: 606,605 - 7.9%


Houston/the Woodlands/Sugar Land - 7,122,240
Hispanic: 2,669,503 - 37.5%
White: 2,399,789 - 33.7%
Black: 1,237,934 - 17.4%
Asian: 594,858 - 8.4%


Atlanta/Sandy Springs/Alpharetta - 6,089,815
White: 2,661,835 - 43.7%
Black: 2,048,212 - 33.6%
Hispanic: 730,470 - 12.0%
Asian: 399,212 - 6.6%
Because that 4 subgroups doesn't really reflect the actual diversity. Asian should be farther segregated to identify Indian. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...f-indians.html. Miami is not top ten but DFW, Houston and ATL are.

Also, there is ZERO recognition of African and Middle Eastern communities in those stats for which Houston has a considerable number from west Africa and Iran/Iraq/Saudi arising from its Energy industry ties to OPEC. Miami's Latin community is predominately Cuban, some Haitian and DR but regardless, Caribbean in nature. That's what people see, Caribbean, much more of a shared cultural experience.
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Old 08-23-2021, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Miami (prev. NY, Atlanta, SF, OC and San Diego)
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Yes, that cannot be overstated from a cultural perspective….with the installed base of ex tri state NY metro area transplants (several decades in the making) have come and followed more than 3 dozen outposts of top NYC restaurants; more and more relocating hedge fund and private equity firms that complement the international banking sector; like NYC, Miami is a high end shopping destination (top 3 in US on a recent CD thread, in a league of their own); dense, 3rd largest skyline in the country (heck, we even have a condo here called The Flatiron designed with the original from NYC in mind), and top 3 US trophy real estate market with global appeal, many ex Wall Streeters (not necessarily you, but others on CD really need to move beyond their one dimensional fixation that median income—as in “reported” income—is the one and only measure of a city’s wealth and/or there are but a few wealthy pockets in Miami…smh). Miami is also an international fashion hub….Miami even has drawbridges, causeways and ferry service which brings back memories of my NY youth. Where I live now, Brickell, reminds me a bit of the Battery Park section of Manhattan…all these items share similarities with NYC.

Diversity (though we also have our share of Europeans (including Russians) and Middle East (including Israelis and Turks) and corporate HQ / industry / tech is where Miami lags behind the others—assuming one even considers it a Southern city, which I don’t. None have the Broadway aspect or museum depth of NYC (Miami does have Art Basel—only US city). Atlanta does have the communications/media powerhouse of CNN, film and music industry; Miami, along with NYC and LA, is a Spanish language broadcast center.

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Because Miami's diversity comes only from one region: the Americas.

That isnt the case with Dallas and especially Houston which bring in people from a much larger variety of regions.

Is Miami's black population more similar to NYC? Maybe. Like NYC, Miami has a large number of black residents from the Caribbean. Unlike NYC, Miami lacks any sort of black community from Africa but Houston and DFW do have that.

The white community in Miami is a lot more similar to NYC for sure. Thats primarily because there are so many people from NYC in South Florida.

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Old 08-23-2021, 05:12 PM
 
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I’ve only read the first few responses.

I see the most NYC type qualities in Miami and Atlanta.
But I see the most street performers in New Orleans.
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Old 08-24-2021, 08:43 AM
 
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agree, no city of the sunbelt is NYC. How do you say Houston is part of the south but not Dallas? I -45 runs through both metros. I
Houston feels more culturally Southern than Dallas does and is a part of the Gulf Coast region. They're both borderline Southern cities though as Miami really isn't southern either. Miami is the winner of this if we are including all of these cities. It's the only one that has the urbanity and energy that NYC has to some extent. None of the other cities have it hardly at all... New Orleans is a different type of city.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:41 AM
 
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I don’t think there are any cities in the United States that compare to New York City. Probably Tokyo is the most similar
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Houston feels more culturally Southern than Dallas does and is a part of the Gulf Coast region. They're both borderline Southern cities though as Miami really isn't southern either. Miami is the winner of this if we are including all of these cities. It's the only one that has the urbanity and energy that NYC has to some extent. None of the other cities have it hardly at all... New Orleans is a different type of city.
I heard Houston does give off somewhat of a New Orleans vibe mixed in with a Texas vibe.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:46 AM
 
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I don’t think there are any cities in the United States that compare to New York City. Probably Tokyo is the most similar
Tokyo is significantly more populated than even NYC with a far better public transit system.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:59 AM
 
Location: OC
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I heard Houston does give off somewhat of a New Orleans vibe mixed in with a Texas vibe.
Yeah, I don't really see that other than they're both really muggy. NO is pretty small.
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I don’t think there are any cities in the United States that compare to New York City. Probably Tokyo is the most similar
Nashville apparently is getting there.
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Old 08-24-2021, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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If one includes Houston as part of the south, It can match NYC in diversity:
https://www.houstoniamag.com/news-an...of%20a%20point.
Racially yes. Ethnically? nooooooo
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Old 08-24-2021, 10:28 AM
 
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Yeah, I don't really see that other than they're both really muggy. NO is pretty small.
My guess is food and culturally and the fact that Houston is basically a big bayou just like New Orleans. A lot of Katrina evacuees ending up settling in Houston afterwards too.
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