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View Poll Results: Which city/metro area is truly the NYC of the South?
Dallas-Fort Worth, TX 9 8.49%
Houston, TX 17 16.04%
Miami, FL 32 30.19%
Atlanta, GA 72 67.92%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 106. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-24-2021, 11:06 AM
 
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Yeah, I don't really see that other than they're both really muggy. NO is pretty small.
The east and south east parts of Houston are a lot like the wards of Nola.
And you are just as likely to find a native Louisianian as a native Houstonian in SE Houston.

The food, culture and even the street layouts with massive Blvd medians are very similar. Southwest Houston Houston on the other hand is more like Westbank NOLA.

Anyway, I don't think NOLA is anything like NY either
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Old 08-24-2021, 11:20 AM
 
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The east and south east parts of Houston are a lot like the wards of Nola.
And you are just as likely to find a native Louisianian as a native Houstonian in SE Houston.

The food, culture and even the street layouts with massive Blvd medians are very similar. Southwest Houston Houston on the other hand is more like Westbank NOLA.

Anyway, I don't think NOLA is anything like NY either
Well maybe in this respect it is.
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Old 08-24-2021, 11:54 AM
 
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Well maybe in this respect it is.
Omg yes. I have wondered about that.
It sounds vaguely similar to certain Caribbean dialects.
I have encountered some and and asked if they or their ancestors were from the Caribbean but the answer is usually "not that I know of"

Interesting. I need to read up more on that.
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Old 08-24-2021, 01:59 PM
 
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Well maybe in this respect it is.
I only hear that with some white locals though. I've never heard a black resident sound anything like a New Yorker. They either didn't have much of an accent at all or they were unmistakably from New Orleans.
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Old 08-24-2021, 02:56 PM
 
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I'm not sure how anyone can claim that the Dallas and Houston metros are more diverse than the Miami metro. Is it because they have 5% more of the population Asian? I know it's not cause of the tiny African populations that Dallas and Houston have. That's nothing when looking at the total picture of 7,000,000 people. You have to have a certain percent of the total population a certain ethnicity to even have any significant showing of strong culture in the first place.

If you really look hard at this data and add up all the numbers you will see there really is no contest. The Miami metro has numerous dense strong culture enclaves that the Houston and Dallas metros have nothing to even compare with. Not to mention all the other ways strong culture is on display around the Miami area compared to Houston and Dallas. People flock there from the most diverse city in the entire world NYC, which just adds to the diversity even more.

Thank you to As Above So Below... for the data


Keep in mind that all these numbers below from 2019 are even more impressive for the Miami metro since its smaller than the Houston and Dallas metros.



Miami/Fort Lauderdale/Pompano Beach - 6,138,333
Hispanic: 2,815,574 - 45.9%
White: 1,785,506 - 29.1%
Black: 1,194,334 - 19.5%
Asian: 164,186 - 2.7%


Houston/the Woodlands/Sugar Land - 7,122,240
Hispanic: 2,669,503 - 37.5%
White: 2,399,789 - 33.7%
Black: 1,237,934 - 17.4%
Asian: 594,858 - 8.4%


Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington - 7,637,387
White: 3,266,374 - 42.8%
Hispanic: 2,235,234 - 29.3%
Black: 1,220,934 - 16.0%
Asian: 606,605 - 7.9%







Here are the foreign born populations

Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 2,563,490
Houston: 1,670,425
Dallas/Fort Worth: 1,454,626




This is percentage of a specific immigrant group that is over 50,000 as part of the whole CSA foreign born population

Miami/Port St. Lucie/Fort Lauderdale CSA:
Cuba - 31.0% - 826,607
Haiti - 256,133 - 9.6%
Colombia - 7.2% - 191,306
Venezuela - 5.7% - 153,090
Jamaica - 5.6% - 149,316
Nicaragua - 3.5% - 94,217
Mexico - 3.1% - 82,774
Honduras - 2.9% - 77,953
Dominican Republic - 2.6% - 70,128
Peru - 2.3% - 62,811
Brazil - 2.3% - 60,750
Guatemala - 2.2% - 60,120


Houston/The Woodlands CSA:
Mexico - 36.0% - 601,879
El Salvador - 8.1% - 135,456
Vietnam - 5.8% - 96,184
Honduras - 5.7% - 92,501
India - 5.6% - 90,063
Nigeria - 3.2% - 53,947
China - 3.2% - 53,442


Dallas/Fort Worth CSA:
Mexico - 43.1% - 638,713
India - 9.7% - 143,850
El Salvador - 4.8% - 71,889
Vietnam - 3.8% - 55,611





CSAs by number of immigrant groups over 50,000

Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 12
Houston: 7
Dallas/Fort Worth: 4





Urban Areas that have the largest number of immigrants from particular countries. The urban area, the number of countries where said urban area has the largest number of immigrants in the U.S., and those countries are listed below.

Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 7 Countries - Colombia, Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Argentina, and the Bahamas.

Houston - 2 Countries - Honduras and Nigeria.

Dallas/Fort Worth: 1 Country - Nepal











The total populations for each ethnicity




Mexican:
Houston: 1,938,565
Dallas/Fort Worth: 1,813,942

Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 160,488

Puerto Rican:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 245,694
Dallas/Fort Worth: 58,401
Houston: 48,473

Cuban:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 1,182,861

Houston: 39,872
Dallas/Fort Worth: 20,505


Dominican:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 115,451
Houston: 9,579
Dallas/Fort Worth: 3,969


Guatemalan:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 76,655
Houston: 56,448
Dallas/Fort Worth: 33,119

Honduran:
Houston: 122,620
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 105,539
Dallas/Fort Worth: 34,352


Nicaraguan:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 133,786
Houston: 11,272
Dallas/Fort Worth: 6,170

Panamanian:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 15,400
Dallas/Fort Worth: 5,539
Houston: 3,714

Salvadoran:
Houston: 216,882
Dallas/Fort Worth: 100,405
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 46,470


Colombian:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 260,312
Houston: 45,388
Dallas/Fort Worth: 20,553

Ecuadorian:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 48,497
Houston: 7,827
Dallas/Fort Worth: 6,157

Peruvian:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 79,211
Dallas/Fort Worth: 9,926
Houston: 9,562


Venezuelan:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 170,507
Houston: 47,563
Dallas/Fort Worth: 16,189




Chinese:
Houston: 97,648
Dallas/Fort Worth: 75,024
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 32,046


Indian:
Dallas/Fort Worth: 222,571
Houston: 164,363
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 51,364


Japanese:
Dallas/Fort Worth: 7,279
Houston: 6,818
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 5,309


Vietnamese:
Houston: 136,039
Dallas/Fort Worth: 85,421
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 16,498


Filipino:
Houston: 54,407
Dallas/Fort Worth: 36,086
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 20,052


Korean:
Dallas Fort Worth: 31,771
Houston: 16,837
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 5,237


Arab and North African
Houston - 58,830
Dallas/Fort Worth - 56,419
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 38,241





I couldn't find any numbers for the black populations of these metros but I promise you the Miami metro blows away the Dallas and Houston metros in that too. Just the large Haitian and Jamaican populations alone make the comparison laughable. Does anyone have any numbers that shows Dallas and Houston's so called "large" African population? I promise you it's very small compared the Haitian and Jamaican etc. populations of South Florida.


Foreign born black totals
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 461,997
Houston: 125,646
Dallas/Fort Worth: 124,650



Foreign born African population
Dallas/Fort Worth: 122,192
Houston: 114,579
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 25,936


Percentage of Black community that is foreign born
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 35.4%
Houston: 9.6%
Dallas/Fort Worth: 9.5%





Plus the Miami metro does much better with Europe too..



So we're saying that Houston and Dallas are more diverse because 5% more of their total population is Asian?? What a joke.




Keep in mind that all these numbers from 2019 are even more impressive for the Miami metro since its smaller than the Houston and Dallas metros.

Thank you to As Above So Below... for the data

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Old 08-24-2021, 03:08 PM
 
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You copied and pasted your post from the other thread, Ill do the same. You seem to be engaging in hit and run arguing which isnt a good way to be taken seriously.

Youre welcome for the data but heres the problem that literally NO ONE has addressed despite me bringing up many time: ALL of Miami's diversity comes from one region. Literally ALL OF IT. Thats why Miami is impossible to rank in terms of its diversity. If youre from Latin America or Haiti, Miami is the end all be all. If youre from Asia or Africa, Miami is irrelevant.

Despite your stab at Houston and DFW's "tiny" African population, its simply inaccurate. DFW has the 3rd largest foreign born population in the US and Houston has the largest Nigerian population outside of Africa.

So yeah, Houston and DFW are more diverse overall. Miami has a more diverse population from the Americas.

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Old 08-28-2021, 01:01 PM
 
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Yeah Miami has a diverse Hispanic and Caribbean population but the diversity it's just from the America's.
Houston and DFW are more diverse all around.
You are more likely to hear a variety of languages and cuisines in Houston. Miami is English/Spanish/ Haitian Creole. Houston has a more diverse African, Middle Eastern, Asian, European population and although its Hispanic population is not like Miami, it is pretty diverse too. It also has a growing Caribbean population which I think is the biggest west of the Mississippi.
Yes Miami is Diverse, but not as well rounded as Houston
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Old 08-28-2021, 01:16 PM
 
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Dallas of course.

Sure its not in the south to most of us but the south does not consider NYC something to aspire to be, other than Dallas.

Dallas is concerned with your pedigree, where you were born and raised and what school you went to and where you live, how much your home is etc. Dallas the city is what I am speaking of not the suburbs. Dallas has the most elements and attitudes of New Yorkers in my view

I've lived in NYC metro and been to all the southern states.so know something of which I speak.
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Old 08-28-2021, 01:27 PM
 
Location: OC
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Dallas of course.

Sure its not in the south to most of us but the south does not consider NYC something to aspire to be, other than Dallas.

Dallas is concerned with your pedigree, where you were born and raised and what school you went to and where you live, how much your home is etc. Dallas the city is what I am speaking of not the suburbs. Dallas has the most elements and attitudes of New Yorkers in my view

I've lived in NYC metro and been to all the southern states.so know something of which I speak.
But nobody considers them the NYC of the south. There really isn't one. Just because you consider yourself the NYC of the south doesn't make it so. And actually, Dallas is in the south.
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Old 08-28-2021, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Miami (prev. NY, Atlanta, SF, OC and San Diego)
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Do you have stats to back up Houston having a larger European population than Miami?…unfortunately, my search couldn’t come up with anything more recent than 2016, which showed Miami being tied for 5th for US metros with largest European immigrant population; Houston was not even in the top 10 (link below)...has there been a dramatic increase in the past 5 years (more like 4 with Covid) that would change the results below?…I cannot tell you the number of times I hear Russian, French, Turkish, Italian and other languages (Eastern European countries) on the street in Miami. We also have European Spanish and Portuguese (not just Latinos from the Caribbean and South America). Aside from Europe we do have our share of Canadians and Israelis.

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Yeah Miami has a diverse Hispanic and Caribbean population but the diversity it's just from the America's.
Houston and DFW are more diverse all around.
You are more likely to hear a variety of languages and cuisines in Houston. Miami is English/Spanish/ Haitian Creole. Houston has a more diverse African, Middle Eastern, Asian, European population and although its Hispanic population is not like Miami, it is pretty diverse too. It also has a growing Caribbean population which I think is the biggest west of the Mississippi.
Yes Miami is Diverse, but not as well rounded as Houston

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