Northernmost southern city in the United States? (live in, legal)

[mpier015]

Originally Posted by aries4118

It is often said and known that U.S. Route 60 east of Oklahoma is the rough yet "official" dividing line between the American South and the North.


U.S. Route 60
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_60#/map/0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_60

This would cut Richmond clean in half. One side Northern, one side southern.

[4everMissouri]

I would say Huntington, West Virginia.

[spencer114]

Originally Posted by mpier015

This would cut Richmond clean in half. One side Northern, one side southern.

It would…and that split kinda works (even though in old town Manchester, I’m on the Southern side).

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Prickly Pear

I don't understand this logic of because an area experiences success it is no longer Southern. Being more cosmopolitan doesn't hinder Boston from being New England in comparison to say Concord, why does it hinder Atlanta, or Charlotte, or Miami, from being part of the South?

Maybe because people think being Southern means being a dumb poverty-stricken hillbilly which is a classist and a discriminatory mindset people need to stop thinking of when considering REGIONS and large swaths of people. And people wonder why the US is so divided. You can be smart and be Southern. You can be "worldly" and be Southern. You can be progressive and be Southern. The South is not frozen in the 1840s can we stop thinking like it is? Good grief.

Atlanta and Charlotte are the South for sure. Miami is much more debatable due to geography, demographics, and culture. People don't just question the "Southernness" of Miami, but its "Americanness" as well.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by mpier015

This would cut Richmond clean in half. One side Northern, one side southern.

That’s why it is said a “rough” official line. Not exact to the pavement, of course.

Richmond is fully Southern.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Atlanta and Charlotte are the South for sure. Miami is much more debatable due to geography, demographics, and culture. People don't just question the "Southernness" of Miami, but it's "Americanness" as well.

This.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by personone

People DC and Maryland in general want to belong and be affiliated with the Northeast because of that. It is “cooler” than being associated with the south (Richmond, Atlanta, etc). It is why they don’t like bringing up the Census definition.

Nobody brings up the Census definition when considering regional affiliation because people intuitively know that it is a lot more dynamic than what's reflected by a government categorization that's been frozen in time for well over a century. Census officials in the past have acknowledged the changing reality of regional affiliation in postwar metropolitan America but have acquiesced to those who resist making such changes official because of the disruption and confusion it would cause for the countless entities that rely on Census statistics for their particular purposes.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by KodeBlue

Any southern traits that the 2 regions are lacking does not make them any less southern

Of course it does. That's the case even for places whose status as Southern isn't even questioned. For instance, Hilton Head is absolutely the least Southern place in SC.

There's no hard boundary between the South and adjacent regions but rather transitional areas. Obviously the mid-Atlantic is one such area.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by KodeBlue

They're in the deep south anywhere in Florida.

How so? This is one for which you can't rely on Census designations because there is no officially designated "Deep South."

[Arcenal813]

Are we talking strictly about "The city of Miami?" Which certainly does includes heavy pockets of "deep South," albeit to a lesser extent than other places... Or are we talking about Southeast Florida as a whole?