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Civil war would be horrific but I think it is looming. And China as well as Russia would love to see it happen. The pandemic and protests really spotlighted how we have two polar opposites of ideology in this country.
Plus the scenario of Trump pushing quickly through a conservative justice followed by a Trump loss in November and the Democrats packing the court will cause a lot of damage and lead us closer to breaking the country in two. I actually think we are better of with 2 countries. We are too splintered as it is and I don't see anyone bringing us together. Each side just distrusts the other too much. Better to split it up legislatively then by war.
If the US ever does go into a civil war, China will use that opportunity for expansion and take over most of the countries in Asia. Only India, Japan, South Korea, and Australia will resist.
The revolucion will not look at all like the civil war. The Free Staters will sit with their physical firearms and be hopelessly flanked perpetually by an enemy that will never actually enter the battlefield. The reality is, no person or group can hope to be self-sufficient and still hope to be effective in the marketplace. Those that come close will become the primary targets, with any imperfection magnified and put on display, and used as just cause for outlandish punishment.
On the left, renewed socialism is really the city-boss system realizing it can now get even bigger, and they have a considerable arsenal of tools they've honed over the years. Actually, I'm going to quit calling them socialists. True socialism has some merits, and those merits will be on full display in order to attract people. The ugly reality behind the propoganda machine is that it will be crony capitalism at its utmost. Businesses that participate and help perpetuate will be rewarded, while those that are in opposition or simply want to be left alone will be punished. At some point, people will all be faced with an ugly choice. Put their families and livelihoods at risk, or join mobster woke left. The benefits of joining will be much less than the penalties for not.
As to when, it is already happening. At a new client I was going through their legal records this week. A discovery had been made that certain employees no longer had valid work visas. They were asked to give their new ones, but they did not have it. Federal law requires employees to hold valid permissions in order to work. California law does not allow the termination of someone on grounds of immigration status. The company is held hostage by two directly opposed bodies of law.
It is very possible for a government to essentially make your right to exist illegal. What is profoundly disappointing is how weak the opposition is. It took one of the richest men in the world, Michael Bloomberg, to curb the excesses of NYC and to bring it back from the brink. No such hero was on hand for cities like Detroit and Cleveland.
This November, we face an awful choice. I expect the result will satisfy few, but I hope to be wrong. If the dissatisfied begin to determine that they will simply not follow Federal law, as many States have begun to do, we'll suffer a worse fate than civil war. We'll simply become an ungovernable entity.
This country is already an ungovernable entity and has been for at least 50 years. The riots and looting in our cities in the past six years proves that.
We are so spoiled in the US, so I don't think we would get into a war anytime soon with each other. We just eat too well and have it too good to be bothered. I think you just see the left crying about everything and they do riot/protest/loot/burn things, but if we want to control that, we certainly could and it could be fast, but we seem to think it will start fading on its own and it seems to be doing just that. The BLM group is certainly not helping keep things peaceful however, but they aren't all that big and will also fad away to nothing and most people will look back on it and think how dumb it is to divide people up by race in such a way.
We are so spoiled in the US, so I don't think we would get into a war anytime soon with each other. We just eat too well and have it too good to be bothered. I think you just see the left crying about everything and they do riot/protest/loot/burn things, but if we want to control that, we certainly could and it could be fast, but we seem to think it will start fading on its own and it seems to be doing just that. The BLM group is certainly not helping keep things peaceful however, but they aren't all that big and will also fad away to nothing and most people will look back on it and think how dumb it is to divide people up by race in such a way.
If we did have an all-out civil war between different regions, we'd probably have to outsource the conflict, maybe bring in Chinese or Mexican militia to do our fighting for us.
There is no practical, much less legal, way for states to secede short of a proper, i.e. bloody civil war. And there is not only too much ideological heterogeneity in most states, even pretty solid red and blue states, for that to even come close to being a reality.
A proper seccesion movement resulting in civil war would require a defacto oppositional power, with "power" meaning an administrative body like a congress that can, with the will of its constituents, draw up its own charters (constitution and laws) and borders, and have the military backing to enforce them. Then this opposing incipient polity must have the ability to literally fight off the federal forces' armed attempt to recapture and "reunionize" the dissenting states/regions.
What I believe we are far more likely to see is a weakening of the federal government resulting from a fairly radical redistribution of powers from the federal government to states and even cities, or even cooperative regions comprised of states and cities.
One thing for sure, the northeast has put up with as much from the Trump cult as they can stand. The northeast is strongly in favor of national health care and it started in Massachusetts. The northeast is divided as to illegal immigration but many wish the government would crack down on it.
For the most part, the northeast couldn't care less about guns and we wouldn't allow the amount of violence that's been happening in the PNW. Most people here think that California is much too lenient with allowing people to set up tents and sleep on the streets, thus depriving law abiding citizens of the right to use those streets.
People here are furious. Ironically, this is where the idea of America got its start and the first shot of the Revolutionary War was here. We haven't forgotten and we hold our history and heritage in high regard.
We didn't have slaves (just for a little while) and we were opposed to the idea of slavery when the time came to decide what to do about it. We are an independent minded corner of the country and would gladly be absorbed by Canada it if came to the choice between giving up what we believe in or becoming followers of a Trump cult type of theocracy to which we do not subscribe. We fought for separation of church and state and we haven't forgotten that. We realize that if people are to live in society there is a need for laws and some number of regulations and there's a need and an obligation to help others. That's the price you pay to be part of a great country.
Like most here, I don't know how it will happen but if a new government seeks to further divide us as a country and to ignore the deep seated values of various cultural areas like New England, I don't see us staying together.
One thing for sure, the northeast has put up with as much from the Trump cult as they can stand. The northeast is strongly in favor of national health care and it started in Massachusetts. The northeast is divided as to illegal immigration but many wish the government would crack down on it.
For the most part, the northeast couldn't care less about guns and we wouldn't allow the amount of violence that's been happening in the PNW. Most people here think that California is much too lenient with allowing people to set up tents and sleep on the streets, thus depriving law abiding citizens of the right to use those streets.
People here are furious. Ironically, this is where the idea of America got its start and the first shot of the Revolutionary War was here. We haven't forgotten and we hold our history and heritage in high regard.
We didn't have slaves (just for a little while) and we were opposed to the idea of slavery when the time came to decide what to do about it. We are an independent minded corner of the country and would gladly be absorbed by Canada it if came to the choice between giving up what we believe in or becoming followers of a Trump cult type of theocracy to which we do not subscribe. We fought for separation of church and state and we haven't forgotten that. We realize that if people are to live in society there is a need for laws and some number of regulations and there's a need and an obligation to help others. That's the price you pay to be part of a great country.
Like most here, I don't know how it will happen but if a new government seeks to further divide us as a country and to ignore the deep seated values of various cultural areas like New England, I don't see us staying together.
I have to admit that, if I didn't have family ties to New York, I'd probably choose to live in New England. It's my favorite U.S. region to visit. Also, I noticed this: "Today, New England is the least religious part of the U.S. In 2009, less than half of those polled in Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Vermont claimed that religion was an important part of their daily lives." Quoted from Culture of New England
I'm not against religion (I'm active in my own religion, in fact), but I do think that when religion in this country injects itself into politics, it becomes a key dividing factor among Americans.
It is just foolish to think there is any possibility of a civil war occurring. In a democracy, you can only have a civil war if there are stark regional differences among states. Those don't exist in America, despite what some think when they label states as blue or red. It certainly would not occur between political parties as there are just as many of us who don't belong to either party. And too many people are mobile and mixed around all over the place. The conditions simply don't exist and it would be hard for them to present unless someone made a move for restricting elections as a way to resolve grievances.
I am not sure, I understand. Why is everyone talking about secession or war between states, while civil war is something much simpler yet, more complex? A civil war, also known as an intrastate war in polemology,[1] is a war between organized groups within the same state or country. The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region or to change government policies
You already see this going on, just in not very numerous expressions. Yet, you already have hundreds and thousands of organized people, clearly fighting against their opponents and government policies. It is, simply, lame, so far. Just like the entire world war III, of the new, hybrid type, that is going on for the last several years.
For the most part, the northeast couldn't care less about guns and we wouldn't allow the amount of violence that's been happening in the PNW. Most people here think that California is much too lenient with allowing people to set up tents and sleep on the streets, thus depriving law abiding citizens of the right to use those streets.
"If it bleeds, it leads." Don't believe what you see on the evening news. The whole protests in Portland are limited to a 2 block by 4 block area of downtown, and only after business hours. If you are actually there, you would be hard put to imagine anything is happening, though the gas is stinky for a while. It's silly to think it's a national issue.
The fires are much more serious, and got everyone's attention around here.
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