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This is a matter of opinion and mine is that 400,000 by itself is a large number, but compared to 331 million its quite miniscule.
If you were one of the 430,000 that died I don't think you would think that is a small number.
I just saw a feature on a tv news program where the widows of four men who died in 30's and 40's of coronavirus spoke. Just the grief and heartache that those four families are experiencing is overwhelming.
Dh and I have had shot #1. No side effects so far. Enough people in our age group (65+) have had it with no adverse effects, that I’m not at all worried. Whatever we’ve been doing since March has worked, so we will continue doing those things in addition to the vaccinations.
Our habits are changing slightly. We feel fine going to restaurants and doing non essential shopping now.
If you were one of the 430,000 that died I don't think you would think that is a small number.
I just saw a feature on a tv news program where the widows of four men who died in 30's and 40's of coronavirus spoke. Just the grief and heartache that those four families are experiencing is overwhelming.
Yes, another thing to consider is the effect this virus is having on families. Whereas in any particular family you might see a single individual dying of heart disease, COVID infection has killed married couples within days of each other. It spreads to other members of the same family, as well. This is the threat that we're dealing with.
Those who haven't had any personal experience with COVID thus far should count themselves fortunate, rather than be dismissive of those who have been exposed to the virus or who have had a family member exposed to the virus.
You face liability suits if you infect anyone who is medically unable to get vaccinated.
Unlike intentional HIV transmission, there is simply no means to prove whom has infected any plaintiff beyond a reasonable doubt.
Particularly months after said plaintiff has passed away, or become infected; which of course is the length of time it takes for courts to hear civil cases.
Back to the thread topic. I got covid from a family member who went to a xmas party. Went to the ER at one point because I was having trouble breathing. Recovered quickly after given oxygen. So for myself I figure I have immunity for now from the original covid. No point in getting vaccinated until they have a vaccine for the South African strain or whatever comes after that. Previously I felt that if I did get covid I would at least be protected from getting it again for a while. Now with these new strains I feel no assurances about any of this. And since they are apparently more deadly its a big concern.
Sure 400,000 is a lot but relative to the total population it's not. More people died from heart disease in one year 600k+ in 2019
The current daily deaths equate to over a million deaths in 12 months at 3,000 deaths a day. I believe we are closer to 4,000 deaths a day right now. With the new strains spreading who knows what will happen this year. We are having trouble vaccinating people with the first vaccine. Now we will have to go back and give boosters to everyone to protect from the South African strain and perhaps again over and over if new strains come out. It seems impossible to keep up with this virus as its mutating much faster than we can vaccinate.
Yes, another thing to consider is the effect this virus is having on families. Whereas in any particular family you might see a single individual dying of heart disease, COVID infection has killed married couples within days of each other. It spreads to other members of the same family, as well. This is the threat that we're dealing with.
Those who haven't had any personal experience with COVID thus far should count themselves fortunate, rather than be dismissive of those who have been exposed to the virus or who have had a family member exposed to the virus.
In my family 6 members were exposed to family member who HAD the virus, but all of us never caught it. You want to count us as fortunate too, or only those who don't know anyone with the virus?
My husband tested Positive (twice). Asymptomatic. He is 72, previous heart attack (Code Blue 4 times), congestive heart failure (5 stents and pacemaker), hypothyroidism (BMI 38), and 2nd stage Parkinson's. I am same age, no pre existing conditions, but an outside smoker for 50 years. Tested Negative. We did not wear masks at home nor social distance.
Our 4 year old Grandson also tested Positive from someone at his Special Ed school with virus. Also asymptomatic. His divorced parents with joint custody tested Negative, as did his older brother, and grandparents who he lives with part time with his Dad. His Grandpa is 70, also has a heart condition with 2 stents. Certainly, it would be impossible to isolate from your own very young child who is also special needs. Same for his 6 year old brother who sleeps in the same bedrooms (occasionally same bed) he does. Very young siblings don't share toys and rough house on the floor on top of each other????
Are we just "lucky" or is there something else going on that science does not care to investigate or tell the general public?
In my family 6 members were exposed to family member who HAD the virus, but all of us never caught it. You want to count us as fortunate too, or only those who don't know anyone with the virus?
My husband tested Positive (twice). Asymptomatic. He is 72, previous heart attack (Code Blue 4 times), congestive heart failure (5 stents and pacemaker), hypothyroidism (BMI 38), and 2nd stage Parkinson's. I am same age, no pre existing conditions, but an outside smoker for 50 years. Tested Negative. We did not wear masks at home nor social distance.
Our 4 year old Grandson also tested Positive from someone at his Special Ed school with virus. Also asymptomatic. His divorced parents with joint custody tested Negative, as did his older brother, and grandparents who he lives with part time with his Dad. His Grandpa is 70, also has a heart condition with 2 stents. Certainly, it would be impossible to isolate from your own very young child who is also special needs. Same for his 6 year old brother who sleeps in the same bedrooms (occasionally same bed) he does. Very young siblings don't share toys and rough house on the floor on top of each other????
Are we just "lucky" or is there something else going on that science does not care to investigate or tell the general public?
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Since I don't know your family, I have no way of verifying your anecdotal evidence. If you wish to make a case that the virus doesn't spread through families, you will need to come up with another example -- one that can be verified by those participating in this debate. That is the least that is expected in a debate forum.
If you require any corroborated news articles regarding married couples who have died within days of each other from the virus (as I stated previously), here you go: https://www.google.com/search?client...ied+from+covid
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