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Actually, there were some precursors to modern international law, such as the "Peace of Westphalia" that were kind of in play in Europe until the rise "Neo-Imperialism" during the 19th Century.
Hawaiian sovereignty was lost to the British for a brief period in 1843 during the "Paulet Affair." The British restored Hawaiian "sovereignty" when it was taken in 1843, establishing a precedent. The United States did not restore Hawaiian "sovereignty" when it was taken in 1893, ignoring the British precedent.
Exactly and the opposition to sovereignty can claim no one is interestted in sovereignty by the numbers involved. But just like Hawai'i politics theres a reason why people don't trust american politics or government agencies and get involved.
What i find is interesting is why is this an issue of law or if its convenient to everyone and/or money? Why not the argument be its just the right ethical thing to do based on fairminded and fair justice? For we can all agree there is a reasonable doubt that eveything regarding the overthrow of the Hawai'i kingdom wasn't all on the up. Thus making the annexation and state hood suspect.
Is there a spot on earth that hasn't been unjustly taken? Was it fair for Kamehameha to conquer the islands unjustly killing to do so? If we give back all the lands that were taken unjustly, who would we give them to and where would everyone currently on earth go?
Is there a spot on earth that hasn't been unjustly taken? Was it fair for Kamehameha to conquer the islands unjustly killing to do so? If we give back all the lands that were taken unjustly, who would we give them to and where would everyone currently on earth go?
Like ive said to you b4 McFrostyJ, I appreciate the everyone conquers everyone argument and other arguments against. But the problem is the behavior hasn't changed, instead of changing and learning from the past the US has gotten bolder. Now we are trying to conquer multiple sovereign countries. Without change those arguments just becomes justifications. We should have learned with the native americans.
Like ive said to you b4 McFrostyJ, I appreciate the everyone conquers everyone argument and other arguments against. But the problem is the behavior hasn't changed, instead of changing and learning from the past the US has gotten bolder. Now we are trying to conquer multiple sovereign countries. Without change those arguments just becomes justifications. We should have learned with the native americans.
You act as if the United States are the only ones who have done this. If you are wanting to go back into the past and correct wrongs that were done, then you must do it fairly and across the board to everyone equally. Are you willing to do that?
You act as if the United States are the only ones who have done this. If you are wanting to go back into the past and correct wrongs that were done, then you must do it fairly and across the board to everyone equally. Are you willing to do that?
When does doing whats right have to do with everybody else? We obviously know that stealing things is wrong, this virtue is reflected in our society laws and we are opposed to thieft by forceable means too. A good percentage of our population is of a political party that believes taking something that one didn't earn is wrong and thieft.
Our country is the first to point out crimes against humanity and human rights violations and is the worlds policeman. Maybe returning Hawai'i to its people and fixing a wrong will be an example for other nations to follow suit? Then we can truely say we are the best nation in the world. What does china or england have to do with us setting a wrong right?
When does doing whats right have to do with everybody else? We obviously know that stealing things is wrong, this virtue is reflected in our society laws and we are opposed to thieft by forceable means too. A good percentage of our population is of a political party that believes taking something that one didn't earn is wrong and thieft.
Our country is the first to point out crimes against humanity and human rights violations and is the worlds policeman. Maybe returning Hawai'i to its people and fixing a wrong will be an example for other nations to follow suit? Then we can truely say we are the best nation in the world. What does china or england have to do with us setting a wrong right?
Maybe returning Hawai'i to its people and fixing a wrong will be an example for other nations to follow suit?
Ok, then let's be fair, do the right thing and return all the lands around the world that were ever taken from their original occupants.
By the way, who was it that actually got to Hawaii first long before Kamehameha stole it?
Ok, then let's be fair, do the right thing and return all the lands around the world that were ever taken from their original occupants.
By the way, who was it that actually got to Hawaii first long before Kamehameha stole it?
McfrostyJ i think what your tripping over is a fear of losing something or not getting something? I imagine McfrostyJ that the reason these lands and why this issue is so important to some is the native persons cultural belief that the aina and the land and people are interconnected.
Truth i doubt there would be other claims besides Tibet and Tai Won. If there are for other nations then it will be the illegal occupying countries to responsibility correct there wrongs.
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