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The Native Hawai'ian population including mixed blood was only 15% of the population .
Do i need to go on? Every step of the process from the overthrow of the queen to statehood etc has some shady stuff or controversies. Do you think it was fair to the kanaka moari to vote on an issue of statehood when everyone could of voted no and still lost? It wasn't your government or land being lost? Further if you look past your loyalties and personal agendas and look at the events. Its reasonable to believe something is not right.
Nobody can change what happened in 1893 or in 1959. Let that go. Face the reality today.
If you want to have a vote about self-governance by and for kanaka maoli on Hawaiian Homelands, then limiting that vote to kanaka maoli people* is fair, and makes sense. But the reality is that there's not a lot of interest in the actual kanaka maoli community. The OHA, run by and for native Hawaiians, last fall extended the period to register due to low turnout, and now wants to extend it further, in the hope they can get more people interested.
So honestly, if they're not going to participate, why should we care?
But why should only the eligible ones who bothered to register be given the right to determine the future of everyone else, including the 80% of the current population who have put in their lives and their money and their sweat, going back 5 generations or more in some cases, to build the state into what it is now?
And the obvious answer is, no that wouldn't be fair at all, not to the clear majority of the nearly 1,400,000 people living in Hawai'i today.
* Let's not forget that even to vote on "local" concerns, native Hawaiians don't own the entire issue. According to the census in the Hawaiian Kingdom in 1890, the population was a little over 55,000 and nearly 16% were naturalized citizens of foreign origins. So limiting any vote to kanaka maoli only would rip off all the ancestors of those other citizens of the former Hawaiian monarchy. They also need to be included.
According to the census in the Hawaiian Kingdom in 1890, the population was a little over 55,000 and nearly 16% were naturalized citizens of foreign origins. So limiting any vote to kanaka maoli only would rip off all the ancestors of those other citizens of the former Hawaiian monarchy.
In 1778*The Estimated population of Hawaii at this time was between*300,000 to 500,000 gee wonder what happened there?
A quote from King Kamehameha IV, Alexander Liholiho:
“To be kind and generous to the foreigner is no new thing in the history of our race. It is an inheritance transmitted to us from our forefathers. I cannot fail to heed the example of my ancestors. I therefore say to the foreigner that he is welcome to our shores—welcome as long as he comes with the laudable motive of promoting his own interests and at the same time respecting the rights of his neighbors. But if he comes here with no more exalted motive than that of building up his own interests at the expense of the native—
native—to seek our confidence only to betray it—with no higher ambition than that of overthrowing our government and introducing anarchy, confusion, and bloodshed, then—then I repeat, he is most unwelcome!”
Your qoute OpenD: But why should only the eligible ones who bothered to register be given the right to determine the future of everyone else, including the 80% of the current population who have put in their lives and their money and their sweat, going back 5 generations or more in some cases, to build the state into what it is now?
Because of stuff like this On March 29, 1949, Kamokila Campbell successfully sued the Hawaii Statehood Commission, to stop them from spending public money to lobby for statehood, invalidating a single section of the Act which created the Hawaii Statehood Commission.
I mean the more you dig the more shady stuff comes up.
I mean honestly guys, we have invaded countries on less speculation then what supporters of the Hawai'i kingdom have presented on this forum the last year.
I personally don't believe the motives of the people calling for the restoration of the Monarchy today are any different than the motives 115 yrs ago (roughly) when the Monarchy was removed, or the motives 200 yrs ago (roughly) when Kam 1 forcibly overthrow the leaders of all the islands to take control himself.
I believe the "restore the monarchy" movement today is really about power and money just as it was in the past. The guys who want the Monarchy restored are just looking for power and money and trying to find an argument and a way to get it given to them. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves.
They want to control the land, control the taxes, control the hotels, etc. and they want to better their personal lives and the fortunes of their families.
If they had the means to forcibly do it, they would. But since they don't, their trying to find any angle they can find. no altruistic motives at all. I'm just saying they are no different than those who removed the Monarchy or Kam 1 before them.
I mean the more you dig the more shady stuff comes up.
I agree with you that some very bad things were done in the past. However, it isn't just limited to white people. Awful things were done by all races of people all over the world. If you want to learn from them and and try to stop these kinds of things from currently happening or happening in the future, then I'm with you. However, if you just want to correct a couple of your favorite injustices from history while ignoring the rest, than that would be just as wrong as the acts you were trying to correct.
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