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Old 06-19-2014, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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I think it is ridiculous that they haven't been able to put a casino on Hawaiian Home Lands/Ceded Lands - The have the need for increased tourism on the Big Island - would certainly boost the local economy on the BI - bring ancillary jobs to support the industry - and be beneficial all around.
If they can allow Hilo's Prince Kūhiō Plaza, Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Target, and Safeway to be placed on Hawaiian Home Lands, they should be able to lease several unproductive acres to enterprising kānaka maoli to establish a hale piliwaiwai (casino). To make it "culturally appropriate," the hale piliwaiwai could have "tournament kōnane," a nine-lane hōlua track, and some "Wheel of Lono" and "Kamehameha's Revenge" slot machines.
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Old 06-19-2014, 05:24 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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The U.S. Department of the Interior pretty much acknowledged that the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy was both illegal and wrong and have prepared reports such as "From Mauka to Makai: The River of Justice Must Flow Freely." Here's a link...
http://www.doi.gov/ohr/library/uploa...i-Report-2.pdf

Unfortunately, the Department of the Interior recommends that Native Hawaiians be treated the same as American Indians and Alaska Natives. In other words, they want what was once an independent, sovereign nation for much of the 19th Century to be reduced to a mere 21th Century "tribe."


If kānaka maoli choose to be a "tribe," I'm going to be one of the first to press for the right to establish casinos on "tribal lands" (i.e. "Hawaiian Home Lands" and "Ceded Lands").
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:31 PM
 
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Unfortunately, the Department of the Interior recommends that Native Hawaiians be treated the same as American Indians and Alaska Natives. In other words, they want what was once an independent, sovereign nation for much of the 19th Century to be reduced to a mere 21th Century "tribe."
It is sad that it happened. However, it would be impossible to now try to fix all the wrongs from history around the world and completely unfair to fix some and not others.
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Reality check... all the discussions about federal recognition of Hawaiian reservations to date have expressly forbidden the authorization of casinos... which the Hawai'i state government agrees with.

Don't you think that year round sale of fireworks and tax-free cigarettes will be enough to contend with?
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:36 PM
 
Location: not sure, but there's a hell of a lot of water around here!
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Reality check... all the discussions about federal recognition of Hawaiian reservations to date have expressly forbidden the authorization of casinos... which the Hawai'i state government agrees with.

Don't you think that year round sale of fireworks and tax-free cigarettes will be enough to contend with?
Build a casino/hotel at Honokanai'a Bay. Beautiful spot.

Mimi aku EVERYBODY

Last edited by Jungjohann; 06-19-2014 at 07:38 PM.. Reason: They won't allow the word pi##. thank you LDS Hawaii
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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Reality check... all the discussions about federal recognition of Hawaiian reservations to date have expressly forbidden the authorization of casinos... which the Hawai'i state government agrees with.

Don't you think that year round sale of fireworks and tax-free cigarettes will be enough to contend with?
While most of the iterations of the belated Akaka Bill expressly prohibited casinos, the "administrative rule" that the Obama administration could come up with might allow them. If they're called "Hawaiian cultural enrichment centers" or "hale piliwaiwai" no one will be the wiser. Most folks will probably be too concerned with the precedent established by the Obama administration's attempt to bypass the U.S. Congress and "reestablish a government-to-government relationship between the United States and the Native Hawaiian community" to notice if the "administrative rule" allows "casinos."
Native Hawaiian recognition takes big step - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:42 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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THURSDAY, JUNE 19, 2014
HEARINGS START MONDAY IN HAWAI`I ON FEDERAL RECOGNITION

US Department Of Interior Hearings In Hawai`i

Honolulu Star-Advertiser - June 18, 2014

The Obama administration is taking the first formal steps in a long process that could result in an official relationship between the federal government and a future Native Hawaiian governing entity.

The administration is scheduling public meetings in Hawai`i starting next week to gather feedback on the fundamental question of whether a government-to-government relationship should be re-established and, if so, how to go about doing that, Interior Department's Rhea Suh, assistant secretary for policy, management and budget, said Wednesday in a teleconference with reporters.

If pursued, the administration could accomplish what backers of the so-called Akaka Bill in Congress failed to do over more than a decade.

But any attempt by the administration to move toward the re-establishment of a government-to-government relationship is expected to be resisted by those who believe Obama is overstepping his authority as a way to bypass Congress, where many of his top domestic priorities have been blocked. It also likely would be opposed by those who insist that the federal government has no role in Hawaiians' right to political self-determination.

The issue would be complicated by the controversy over how and what form a Native Hawaiian government would take.

The Akaka Bill -- named after it's primary sponsor, former U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, and first introduced in 1999 -- would have granted Native Hawaiians federal recognition similar to that of American Indians and Alaska natives.But the bill, which passed the House, never made it to the Senate floor for a vote. Akaka retired last year.

Once a 60-day comment period ends, the Obama administration must decide whether to pursue the re-establishment of a government-to-government relationship administratively and how that would be accomplished, then propose a rule to achieve that.

Throughout the process, Suh stressed, the administration will be seeking comments from Hawai`i residents.
- See more at: Free Hawai`i
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:45 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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The U.S. Department of the Interior pretty much acknowledged that the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy was both illegal and wrong and have prepared reports such as "From Mauka to Makai: The River of Justice Must Flow Freely." Here's a link...
http://www.doi.gov/ohr/library/uploa...i-Report-2.pdf

Unfortunately, the Department of the Interior recommends that Native Hawaiians be treated the same as American Indians and Alaska Natives. In other words, they want what was once an independent, sovereign nation for much of the 19th Century to be reduced to a mere 21th Century "tribe."


If kānaka maoli choose to be a "tribe," I'm going to be one of the first to press for the right to establish casinos on "tribal lands" (i.e. "Hawaiian Home Lands" and "Ceded Lands").
great post
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:47 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gs-pKQHP7I
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:13 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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The Kingdom of Hawaii existed until 1893 when the monarchy was overthrown by a group of businessmen, most of them Americans. It was an independent republic from 1894 until 1898, when it was annexed by the United States as a territory before becoming a state in 1959.

Williamson Chang, a law professor at the University of Hawaii, believes the legal questions raised recently about whether the Kingdom of Hawaii still exists pushed the federal government into action.

"I consider Hawaii to be occupied or under a state of emergency," Chang said. "The one thing I'm sure of is the United States does not have jurisdiction."

A federal recognition that is similar to a tribal designation would be a step backward in the eyes of many Hawaiians, because the U.S. previously recognized the Hawaiian government as equal, not beneath, the U.S., Chang said.


First step toward Native Hawaiian recognition | Al Jazeera America
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