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Old 06-27-2014, 12:00 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hawaiian by heart View Post
I know mahalo mcfrosty, i was using the drive in as an example. Did you ever go there yourself?

Also i post etc about the past because there are people currently on CDF Hawaii that enjoy the Nostalgia of hawaiis past.
Yes I have been there a few times. It's fun! By the way, I am one who loves nostalgia!
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:29 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Yes I have been there a few times. It's fun! By the way, I am one who loves nostalgia!
I know and only hope you enjoyed some of the things i postted?
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:33 AM
 
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I know and only hope you enjoyed some of the things i postted?
Yes I have and you know I have because I have given you many rep points for posting them and you private messaged me saying mahalo for the rep point many times.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:41 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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I never live in the past - never, ever. I am always looking to my next venture, my next deal, my next..... To be honest, I don't know my past beyond myself and my parents. Matters nothing to me. I care nothing about Europe, where I suppose they came from. I don't even care enough to look it up in Ancestory.com. Sure, I've been told some things, but it doesn't matter to me. Never went back to my HS, never went back to my College, home town, mother's grave. It is done, and I moved on.

You can't seem to get half of a leg out of Hawaii's past.

In any case, I don't want to get into a slug-fest with you. Aloha.
Its ok, its sounds to me bruhdah that you live a life of no regrets? Thats great. But we all have the past in the present. Its simple but we don't think about it. As corny and stupid as it sounds, have you ate a cheeseburger or watch the news or watch t.v? Let you think about it.

Im just not one who believes we are more better off today then the past. Aloha and take care.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:59 PM
 
Location: East Fallowfield, PA
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Thanks for posting this!
You're Welcome!
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:26 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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I disagree. History means a great deal. History teaches us what we should and should not do in the future. Without knowing history we would be going blindly into the future. The key in my opinion, is to know history, to learn from history but at the same time, to not try and live in the past.
Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Try and make a better tomorrow.
great post..... Easy to say..... til everything you have has been taken from you. Your country had been decimated.... everything you grew up to know had been forever changed.
















































Please go tell the people of Iraq, don't live in the past....
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:32 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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An historic Supreme Court of Canada ruling has conferred on native peoples of British Columbia the right to “use and control†lands where they have lived, hunted and fished — and where governments and developers want to build pipelines and grant licenses to clear-cut forests.

“The right to control the land means that governments and others seeking to use the land must obtain the consent of the aboriginal title holders,†Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin wrote in a unanimous ruling.

The decision has huge implications for efforts by the carbon economy — Big Oil and coal exporters – to turn the West Coast of Canada into a shipping center to feed China’s appetite for fossil fuels.
Historic court ruling gives land title, respect to Canada’s native peoples - Strange Bedfellows — Politics News
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Old 06-28-2014, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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An historic Supreme Court of Canada ruling has conferred on native peoples of British Columbia...
Interesting, but this isn't Canada.
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Old 06-28-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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Interesting, but this isn't Canada.
Now ive heard it all, why not "its not tuesday or the sun isn't out" as an excuse to justify an illegal action. I mean this delusion of grandure has got to stop. No your not doing native hawaiians, americans or iraqis a favor by defeating them and bringing your higher order. Your not rescuing them from monarchies, dictatorships or savagetry or terrorism to replace it with poverty, homelessness, cultural elimination. The outcomes are clear, take a look at iraq today. At least say it was illegal and wrong what happened to the hawaiians and you have no clue how to really set it right and leave it at that. Instead of continuing to insult all natives with your justifications and trying to make the wrongs ok.
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Old 06-28-2014, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Now ive heard it all, why not "its not tuesday or the sun isn't out" as an excuse to justify an illegal action.
It's a simple fact you can count on. This isn't Canada. We don't have the same Constitution, the same laws or the same legal system. It doesn't matter if I think the decision was right or wrong, it just has no relevance in the United States. This isn't Canada.

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I mean this delusion of grandure has got to stop. No your not doing native hawaiians, americans or iraqis a favor by defeating them and bringing your higher order. Your not rescuing them from monarchies, dictatorships or savagetry or terrorism to replace it with poverty, homelessness, cultural elimination. The outcomes are clear, take a look at iraq today.
More smoke screen to hide the fact that you can't stick to the topic, nor even debate the actual issues as they are raised. And to correct the misimpression you keep falling back on, I didn't defeat anyone, I didn't try to rescue anyone, and I certainly had nothing to do with Iraq. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

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At least say it was illegal and wrong what happened to the hawaiians and you have no clue how to really set it right and leave it at that. Instead of continuing to insult all natives with your justifications and trying to make the wrongs ok.
I'll join Mcfrosty in saying this... I already have acknowledged a number of times that wrongs were committed, so when are you going to knock off this phony complaint? I have also extensively studied the history of what happened, so I'm clear that neither side was without fault in all that transpired. I have also stated repeatedly that I'm in agreement with kanaka maoli being allowed to achieve self-determination, but I'm clear that means "self" determination, rather than "others" determination, the same way recognized Native American groups govern themselves, within the boundaries of their reserved lands.

But to insist, in a modern democratic country, that because of things that happened between people who are no longer alive, from an era in which nobody is still living, that somehow excuses barring 80% of the current Hawaiian voters from participating in a decision that affects everyone? Nope, that turkey just won't fly, no matter how you dress it up. I have no interest at all in how Canada would deal with the situation. But I'm absolutely positive the US Supreme Court would never allow that to happen.
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