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Old 08-01-2021, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Southernmost tip of the southernmost island in the southernmost state
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And the mask hysteria seems to be coming back. Here is an interesting stat, you are more likely to be murdered in Washington DC than to die of Covid in Washington DC.
Well this is simply due to people following social distancing guidelines.
If I can't get within 6' to mug you, my only option is to shoot you
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Old 08-01-2021, 05:57 PM
 
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Well this is simply due to people following social distancing guidelines.
If I can't get within 6' to mug you, my only option is to shoot you
Good point.
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Old 08-02-2021, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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There is no evidence that children significantly shed this virus onto others. If you’re elderly get the vaccine. If you refuse the vaccine, that’s on you. Everyone shouldn’t be held hostage because of those who refuse to take the necessary precautions. The vaccine is extremely effective on this delta variant. 00077% of vaccinated Americans have died from the Delta variant of the coronavirus.
Sure there is (evidence). Consult WebMD, Harvard health, etc. for instance. I will link a study below.

"Everyone shouldn't be held hostage". If only that were workable. Unfortunately it is not when our beleaguered health care providers must deal with scores of individuals in ERs and ICUs who have failed to either vaccine or take necessary precautions, such as wearing a mask.


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2770149

I see there's been a Covid surge in Hawaii lately, as there has been in Alaska.
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Old 08-02-2021, 04:28 PM
 
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Sure there is (evidence). Consult WebMD, Harvard health, etc. for instance. I will link a study below.

"Everyone shouldn't be held hostage". If only that were workable. Unfortunately it is not when our beleaguered health care providers must deal with scores of individuals in ERs and ICUs who have failed to either vaccine or take necessary precautions, such as wearing a mask.


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2770149

I see there's been a Covid surge in Hawaii lately, as there has been in Alaska.
This JAMA study shows asymptomatic covid infected people not likely to shed covid.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...set-risk-high/

There is not a study that demonstrates those who are asymptomatic are significant spreaders of covid.

There is also not a study that demonstrates masks had any effect on slowing down the spread of Covid. As in the movie Moneyball when Brad Pitt asks his scouts who are promoting a good hitter “if he is a good hitter, then why doesn’t he hit good?” The same goes with the masks. If the masks work, then why aren’t they working good? If you’re concerned about dying from covid, get the covid shot. The chance of dying from covid after being fully vaccinated is .007%.

In regards to hospitalizations, the vaccine has shown wonders for that. I think out of 161 million people fully vaccinated, there has only been 6,000 breakthrough cases. Regardless, as I understand it on average hospital ICU’s run at about 80% capacity without covid. I’m sure they prefer the ICU’s to be at 100% capacity. It’s a business.
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Old 08-02-2021, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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This JAMA study shows asymptomatic covid infected people not likely to shed covid. .
You initially said that there's no evidence that kids shed virus or can infect others. The study imbedded in your linked article says nothing of the sort.

There is evidence that masks help slow the spread of viruses. Look with an open mind and you will find sources.

Yes, the vaccines work wonders for keeping people out of the hospital. Unfortunately, a lot of people have opted not to get vaccinated. That is why many areas in the Southern US are currently struggling to provide space for all Covid patients and take care of other medical needs too. This was my point regarding the remaining burden on our health care system. "They" are indeed holding others hostage, unfortunately.

https://www.foxcarolina.com/unvaccin...06bc6b1d9.html
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Old 08-02-2021, 05:41 PM
 
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You initially said that there's no evidence that kids shed virus or can infect others. The study imbedded in your linked article says nothing of the sort.

There is evidence that masks help slow the spread of viruses. Look with an open mind and you will find sources.

Yes, the vaccines work wonders for keeping people out of the hospital. Unfortunately, a lot of people have opted not to get vaccinated. That is why many areas in the Southern US are currently struggling to provide space for all Covid patients and take care of other medical needs too. This was my point regarding the remaining burden on our health care system. "They" are indeed holding others hostage, unfortunately.

https://www.foxcarolina.com/unvaccin...06bc6b1d9.html
The study covers household transmissions and that those who are asymptomatic has a limited role in covid transmission within the household and asymptomatic children are even less likely than asymptomatic adults to shed covid. We also know this by looking at the evidence of spread within schools that have been fully opened. Schools turned out not to be super spreaders of covid.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2774102

I didn’t say there was no evidence children are spreaders of Covid. I stated children are not significant spreaders of covid.

The hospitalizations is significantly lower than they were last year during the peak of covid. As we are witnessing in the UK, the delta variant infections are plummeting just as they will here in the US.

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Old 08-02-2021, 06:03 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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The study covers household transmissions and that those who are asymptomatic has a limited role in covid transmission within the household and asymptomatic children are even less likely than asymptomatic adults to shed covid. We also know this by looking at the evidence of spread within schools that have been fully opened. Schools turned out not to be super spreaders of covid.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2774102

I didn’t say there was no evidence children are spreaders of Covid. I stated children are not significant spreaders of covid.

The hospitalizations is significantly lower than they were last year during the peak of covid. As we are witnessing in the UK, the delta variant infections are plummeting just as they will here in the US.
Still analyzing and prognosticating eh officer? Quite a record going back year and a half to when you predicted the US wouldn’t see even 60,000 fatalities from this pandemic.
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Old 08-02-2021, 06:18 PM
 
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Still analyzing and prognosticating eh officer? Quite a record going back year and a half to when you predicted the US wouldn’t see even 60,000 fatalities from this pandemic.
Just following the data and science and posting it. We can do that still, eh? Though, I am learning that’s clearly something you’re immune to, but there is still hope. As I have stated before, it doesn’t require a doctorate in medicine to research studies that have been conducted and their conclusions. After all, that’s the purpose, to be informed, eh?

94% of Covid deaths were deaths of other causes that was listed as a Covid death. We have been through this ad nauseam.
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Old 08-02-2021, 06:30 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Just following the data and science and posting it. We can do that still, eh? Though, I am learning that’s clearly something you’re immune to, but there is still hope. As I have stated before, it doesn’t require a doctorate in medicine to research studies that have been conducted and their conclusions. After all, that’s the purpose, to be informed, eh?

94% of Covid deaths were deaths of other causes that was listed as a Covid death. We have been through this ad nauseam.
Yes. And you still don’t get it: you have no qualification (or credibility) to be synthesizing this kind of data and adding to the chaos of misinformation overwhelming the internet.
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Old 08-02-2021, 06:41 PM
 
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Yes. And you still don’t get it: you have no qualification (or credibility) to be synthesizing this kind of data and adding to the chaos of misinformation overwhelming the internet.
Then neither do you, kapeesh? Misinformation? That’s funny considering you only cite leftist Pravda media sources, the CDC, and that quack Dr. Fauci. Misinformation? Listening to any of them will make you more confused than Biden.
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