Remodel kitchen without a conventional oven - replaced by large toaster oven? (install, costs)

[fumbling]

Actually that is what you said and everyone has told you your theory of a toaster oven in tomorrow's kitchen is a theory held by one. I don't understand why you don't realize that defending your oven theory held by no one else is creating the snarkyness. Accept the reality that no one agrees with your idea of tomorrow's kitchen.

[eddiehaskell]

Originally Posted by kab0906

So far this week:

Baked a whole chicken, 1.5 hours, baked bread, 30 min, baked muffins, 20 min, baked fish, 30 min, reheated leftover pizza, 20 min. On the stove top I've fixed: rice, green beans, homemade pasta sauce, pasta, breakfast eggs more than once, and boiled water for tea.

There are just three of us.

People still cook. Your ideas on how people live are so far out there I have to wonder if you're basing your assumptions on tv shows like Friends.

It's not just some idea I pulled out of thin air.

Here's some reading to get you caught up on where we are as a country:

28% of American don't know how to cook

the average American spends a mere 27 minutes a day on food preparation

Americans Cook the Least, Eat the Fastest

Amount of time spent cooking in UK has HALVED since 1980s and most people survive on diet of sandwiches


Now which direction do you think we're heading - toward cooking more or cooking less? We're talking about Millennials that are used to instant gratification and would rather be playing video games/watching the Kadashians rather than making large meals in the kitchen. My guess is the trend continues and Americans cook less and less.

[eddiehaskell]

Originally Posted by fumbling

Actually that is what you said and everyone has told you your theory of a toaster oven in tomorrow's kitchen is a theory held by one. I don't understand why you don't realize that defending your oven theory held by no one else is creating the snarkyness. Accept the reality that no one agrees with your idea of tomorrow's kitchen.

I'm not looking for agreement. However some seem unwilling to accept how cooking trends have changed.

[fumbling]

Originally Posted by eddiehaskell

I'm not looking for agreement. However some seem unwilling to accept how cooking trends have changed.

You are looking for disagreement and you are unwilling to accept that everyone else is telling you that cooking trends have not changed.

[eddiehaskell]

Originally Posted by fumbling

You are looking for disagreement and you are unwilling to accept that everyone else is telling you that cooking trends have not changed.

One simple stat alone can refute this claim - household size.

In 1970 17% of people lived alone - it jumped to 27% in 2007.

Here is a chart of household size from 1948-2012



As you can see, we've essentially eliminated 1 person from the average household.

[On The Lake]

Originally Posted by eddiehaskell

Again, I will refer to average cooking times being 27 minutes. I believe you would be making quite the claim if you're arguing that the average American cooks a lot.

here is another article for your reading pleasure: Americans Prefer Eating at Home but Still Don

So is it really me that has a problem envisioning how others live?

Spot on from where I sit.

[elhelmete]

Reread your OP and title of your thread and tell us who has drifted. If you wanted to give a sociology lesson why not be honest and do it from the outset? That would have been honest and mature. But You posted about a remodelling idea...

[eddiehaskell]

Originally Posted by elhelmete

Reread your OP and title of your thread and tell us who has drifted. If you wanted to give a sociology lesson why not be honest and do it from the outset? That would have been honest and mature. But You posted about a remodelling idea...

I don't see any notable drift...and if one doesn't care for the direction of a thread they can always say it's BS and move on to another topic. The future was brought up when everyone decided to bring up resale value...that opens the door to questions of how the American kitchen will be different in the future.

[elhelmete]

Originally Posted by eddiehaskell

One simple stat alone can refute this claim - household size.

In 1970 17% of people lived alone - it jumped to 27% in 2007.

Here is a chart of household size from 1948-2012



As you can see, we've essentially eliminated 1 person from the average household.

How clever, as way back in your early posts you innocently ask if it's just you. Suddenly a chart!

If you wanted to discuss population and cultural trends and home kitchen design, by all means do so, that is actually interesting. But don't be coy and say you're interested in remodelling advice at the outset. Your mind has been made up and you knew it. l

[Ceece]

Your gf and you may grow up someday and decide to cook something besides a frozen pizza. Or you may be forced to because you don't have the $ to eat out.

My brother has lived without an oven for over a year. He's a single, middle aged guy who ran out of $ during a remodel and just let it go. He figured the toaster oven, microwave and bbq would do him fine. And it has...only this xmas he asked us to help pitch in so he could get a real oven.