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Old 12-22-2016, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Coastal South Carolina
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Won't happen. Here's why Somerville shouldn't be too worried about Trump pulling its federal funding

Somerville mayor vows to protect immigrants as Trump takes over | Boston Herald

“All studies from sociologists and criminologists show that non-citizen immigrants commit fewer crimes than their peers."
Non Citizen immigrants are really called illegal aliens, you must use the correct words. So you are saying that illegal aliens commit fewer crimes than citizens. Ha! They already are criminals because they broke Federal Law to sneak in the U.S. Some are misdemeanants, some are Felons, but they all are criminals because they are illegal.


Grants will be withheld from this city as well as others. You will see. Trump will empower ICE and let them raid some places in Somerville and do their job! ICE has not been able to do their job for a couple years now because of the current anti-law enforcement administration in power, but the New Boss is in town!
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:10 AM
 
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I read through the article and got to Somerville, MA. I lived there for a few years in the 90s. The term "sanctuary city" means nothing, nothing.
Why does it mean nothing? The Somerville mayor is vehemently pro-sanctuary.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics...y-city-a-visit
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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Non Citizen immigrants are really called illegal aliens, you must use the correct words. So you are saying that illegal aliens commit fewer crimes than citizens. Ha! They already are criminals because they broke Federal Law to sneak in the U.S. Some are misdemeanants, some are Felons, but they all are criminals because they are illegal.


Grants will be withheld from this city as well as others. You will see. Trump will empower ICE and let them raid some places in Somerville and do their job! ICE has not been able to do their job for a couple years now because of the current anti-law enforcement administration in power, but the New Boss is in town!
It won't happen - Trump pulled the wool over your eyes and you fell for it - sorry about that but it will become abundantly clear over the next 12 months. Mark my words - no large wall will be built.

Here's why Somerville shouldn't be too worried about Trump pulling its federal funding

According to the anti-commandeering doctrine, it’s unconstitutional for the federal government to impose “targeted, affirmative, coercive duties” upon state or local government officials. And if Trump follows through on his pledge, sanctuary cities could use it to take on—and perhaps beat—the administration in federal court.

As an attorney in California—one of four sanctuary states—recently pointed out, the doctrine explicitly outlaws the type of retributive threat Trump has floated. Even if the Republican-controlled Congress passed a bill to follow through on the pledge, it could be seen as an infringement on states’ rights.


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The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime - WSJ
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'm not, but the fed will have legal troubles making this happen per my article.
Not really. All they have to do is prosecute the elected officials who authorize the "sanctuary" in direct violation of federal law, and add corruption and racketeering charges if they use taxpayer money to fund the illegal activity.

Sanctuary cities will all fold when their elected officials start going to prison.

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They're in direct violation of federal law, and such a violation can and does result in serving time in prison.

With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. §*1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years.

https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...1324a-offenses

Start looking for a federal prosecutor to bring charges based on that law, and also for corruption and racketeering for misappropriating taxpayer money to fund an illegal activity.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Murphy, North Carolina
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Don't worry. Once all of their federal funding is gone, it's going to be one of the most satisfying instances of karma ever.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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Not really. All they have to do is prosecute the elected officials who authorize the "sanctuary" in direct violation of federal law, and add corruption and racketeering charges if they use taxpayer money to fund the illegal activity.

Sanctuary cities will all fold when their elected officials start going to prison.
Let's keep this thread so we can circle back on this in a year. I'm guessing you are going to be more and more disappointed when you realize it was all lip service by trump to get elected.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:58 AM
 
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This reminds me of the AZ1070 Bill and passed. The Bill actually enhanced the law on the immigration status and enforcement. Holder however that it was a bridge too far in enforcing the Federal Standard.


By the same standard the Sanctury cites can not take or modify Federal Law. So Obama's AG set the standard and these cities will have to enforce laws are have the States come and do it for them.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:06 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Let's keep this thread so we can circle back on this in a year. I'm guessing you are going to be more and more disappointed when you realize it was all lip service by trump to get elected.
Trump isn't even needed for a federal prosecutor to start charging the Sanctuary Cities elected official criminal offenders with federal crimes, corruption, and racketeering, as applicable.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Hope Garcetti, De Blasio, Rahm Emanuel, etc., like prison orange.



With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. §*1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years.

https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...1324a-offenses
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:03 PM
 
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By the same standard the Sanctury cites can not take or modify Federal Law. So Obama's AG set the standard and these cities will have to enforce laws are have the States come and do it for them.
Guess that would depend on the Governor. Ours wont be coming to "do it for them".

Baker: I'll fight for sanctuary cities funding - Lowell Sun Online
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