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You're absolutely right, and congratulations for pointing this out...I'm impressed. The way those Italian parents brought their kids up not learning English was just SHAMEFUL, I agree. I always wondered why I could never understand a word whenever I heard Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Dean Martin, or Lee Iacocca talking. These guys should have been ashamed of themselves for not learning English.
But you're right..it's not THEIR fault..it's their PARENTS', for teaching them that they weren't "American", they were really Italian.
Thanks again for your insight. Everything now is beginning to make more sense..
I like how you took that out of context.
My point was that it doesnt matter whether or not the parents encourage their children to learn english...that the children will learn it anyway living in American. that assimilation is a natural process, and will happen no matter what.
And by pointing out first or second generation Italian-Americans..children of immgirants who grew up to be successful people, AND speak english fluently, you have supported my theory in full. Thank you
yup exactly! look at antonio villaraigosa! ok maybe not the best example, but what about rita moreno? or jimmy smits? antony quinn! george lopez? do you understand their english? howabout mine? this has been a fun read.
in closing i would like to be the first to welcome our darker skinned homeboys from far off place like eritrea, angola and the rest of Africa. the US is wating!!!
also congrats to the haitians, my trini folk and all the west indians for making it here already. i welcome you. i have no problem having you as my neighbor! just keep a nice yard and home and we cool brotha.
Dude,
I honestly don't think that you can compare the two...
first, I pretty sure most of the italians were here legally and became american citizens...they learned the language and used it in public even if they spoke italian at home, second, even though italian and irish mobsters were crooks that commited horrible crimes...most of the time, they didn't act with the complete savagery of the hispanic/illegal alien gangs...I'm sorry to tell you man...if you wanna say I'm hating on latinos...fine...but I'm not...I'm pointing out observations from someone who is deeply interested in geopolitics and history (myself).
Maybe you need to review the OP. Here's an excerpt:
"Many Latino immigrants arrive in cities like Los Angeles not knowing English. This angers the "real" Americans. Go through a Latino neighborhood and you will see signs in Spanish, and hear people speaking Spanish.
"When Italian immigrants arrived, they formed their own neighborhoods. Signs for Italian owned businesses were in Italian. Italian was commonly heard spoken in these neighborhoods."
Your flippant, one-liner posts attest to how conscienciously you approach this subject.
Maybe you need to review the OP. Here's an excerpt:
"Many Latino immigrants arrive in cities like Los Angeles not knowing English. This angers the "real" Americans. Go through a Latino neighborhood and you will see signs in Spanish, and hear people speaking Spanish.
"When Italian immigrants arrived, they formed their own neighborhoods. Signs for Italian owned businesses were in Italian. Italian was commonly heard spoken in these neighborhoods."
Your flippant, one-liner posts attest to how conscienciously you approach this subject.
What were the reasons the Oakies came to the U.S? We're they welcomed? What kind of work did they do? How were they treated? Did they assimilate?
All you need to do is demand that you be recognized as an 'undocumented homeowner'. After all, the only thing standing between you and ownership of that home is a piece of paper!
You're right! If illegal aliens can be considered 'undocumented workers' I certainly should have the right to be considered an 'undocumented homeowner' -- what's good for the goose…..
As a matter of fact, I DEMAND to be given that right.
I think the Oakies serve as a better comparison than italians.
Oakies as in Oklahomans that settled in Bakersfield and Southern California?
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