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Thanks, elmuychingon for the great photos [and showing the human side of an issue that tends to polarize some people]. Remember the May Day demonstration in LA last year when over 500,000 people marched down Wilshire Blvd to MacArthur Pk with Cardinal Mahony & Mayor Villaraigosa? That was a totally peaceful event until the police went berserk
Thanks, elmuychingon for the great photos [and showing the human side of an issue that tends to polarize some people]. Remember the May Day demonstration in LA last year when over 500,000 people marched down Wilshire Blvd to MacArthur Pk with Cardinal Mahony & Mayor Villaraigosa? That was a totally peaceful event until the police went berserk
What "human side"? When people force their way into a country, illegally--knowing full well that they are committing an illegal act--and then are called on it, how is their unjustifiable anger representative of the "human side"? Following that logic, we should just abandon all immigration laws and anybody who comes into the country in any way should be given legal status.
This is racist ideology. If 20 million Canadians forced their way into the U.S. and then demanded legal status, marching in the street, using their children front-and-center as an emotional weapon, somehow I doubt that all of the current illegal immigrant supporters would be singing the same tune. For you, it's all about race. For you, latino illegal immigrants are not held to the same standard of the law as everyone else. They are--magically--transformed into innocent victims. Merely because of their race. The difference between you and those who do not support illegal immigration (minus the white supremacist looney tunes) is that Americans against illegal immigration would be against it no matter what the race of the illegal immigrant.
Just because 20 million illegal foreigners invade our country over 10-20 years does not give them the right to citizenship. They must be punished for breaking the law and deported.
No simpatico para ti'.
Just because 20 million illegal foreigners invade our country over 10-20 years does not give them the right to citizenship. They must be punished for breaking the law and deported.
No simpatico para ti'.
But would the costs of deporting each and every one of them, the rise of prices of goods, legal costs, etc. be worth it?
Why not have a different strategy where illegal immigrants are managed (X number targeted, X number kicked out, pressure on illegal immigrants increased by X amount) to the benefit of the state as a whole?
But would the costs of deporting each and every one of them, the rise of prices of goods, legal costs, etc. be worth it?
Why not have a different strategy where illegal immigrants are managed (X number targeted, X number kicked out, pressure on illegal immigrants increased by X amount) to the benefit of the state as a whole?
We could say the same about any criminal element. Rewarding criminal behavior will only re-enforce said behavior. I think that one can make that argument about the last amnesty passed.
WE can enforce our laws with zeal. Pass laws that make it a jailable offence to rent to illegals. Make it so difficult to exist that illegals self deport.
Bottom line is simply enforce the law and we will see positive results.
As for increasing the cost of goods. I question how much of the savings from illegal laber is actually passed on to the consumer.
1. Governments and agencies, such as police departments, have finite resources. They have to pick their battles. Yes, jaywalking is a crime, but do you see police officers pulling over every single jaywalker they encounter? Why not let the police officers focus on other matters, such as busting people under DUIs, or catching suspects in serious crimes?
2. Farmers Branch, TX tried to do that - A federal judge ended up throwing out the law: Judge throws out Farmers Branch rental ban - Dallas Business Journal:
3. Put it in this way: if the costs of businesses rise, I doubt that the business owners would want to see their own profits dwindle.
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We could say the same about any criminal element. Rewarding criminal behavior will only re-enforce said behavior. I think that one can make that argument about the last amnesty passed.
WE can enforce our laws with zeal. Pass laws that make it a jailable offence to rent to illegals. Make it so difficult to exist that illegals self deport.
Bottom line is simply enforce the law and we will see positive results.
As for increasing the cost of goods. I question how much of the savings from illegal laber is actually passed on to the consumer.
1. Governments and agencies, such as police departments, have finite resources. They have to pick their battles. Yes, jaywalking is a crime, but do you see police officers pulling over every single jaywalker they encounter? Why not let the police officers focus on other matters, such as busting people under DUIs, or catching suspects in serious crimes?
2. Farmers Branch, TX tried to do that - A federal judge ended up throwing out the law: Judge throws out Farmers Branch rental ban - Dallas Business Journal:
3. Put it in this way: if the costs of businesses rise, I doubt that the business owners would want to see their own profits dwindle.
You seem to miss the point that a good many illegals are in fact committing the crimes you speak of...
Illegal immigration is no more comparable to jay walking than shop lifting is to bank robbery. The act of entering illegally is the tip of the iceberg for illegals. Their crimes spiral outward and grow. Atlanta is struggling due to the burden of illegals as are many cities.
As far as business costs. As I said before I question the how much savings are actually passed on to the consumer. Especially in the construction industry.
What "human side"? When people force their way into a country, illegally--knowing full well that they are committing an illegal act--and then are called on it, how is their unjustifiable anger representative of the "human side"? Following that logic, we should just abandon all immigration laws and anybody who comes into the country in any way should be given legal status.
This is racist ideology. If 20 million Canadians forced their way into the U.S. and then demanded legal status, marching in the street, using their children front-and-center as an emotional weapon, somehow I doubt that all of the current illegal immigrant supporters would be singing the same tune. For you, it's all about race. For you, latino illegal immigrants are not held to the same standard of the law as everyone else. They are--magically--transformed into innocent victims. Merely because of their race. The difference between you and those who do not support illegal immigration (minus the white supremacist looney tunes) is that Americans against illegal immigration would be against it no matter what the race of the illegal immigrant.
You may be onto something there: if 20 million Argentines pulled the above stunt; the 'brown' Hispanics would be freaked--------------to say the least since their 'race card' would backfire. Argentina is 97% White, racially speaking yet 100% 'Hispanic' in the legal sense.
But would the costs of deporting each and every one of them, the rise of prices of goods, legal costs, etc. be worth it?
Why not have a different strategy where illegal immigrants are managed (X number targeted, X number kicked out, pressure on illegal immigrants increased by X amount) to the benefit of the state as a whole?
Pick 'em off one by one using E verify, police profiling (if done respectfully), cancelling birthright citizenship for new Anchor babies, mandating English the only language for official business (outside of public health/safety issues), etc.
Trust me: there would be a run for the borders/ports/airports then.
No need for rude posts. I assumed you would like to see what's really out there in these rallies that are very relevant to the subject of this thread. Thanks.
Why do you want to glorify the actions of hundreds of criminals living in the U.S.? These criminals are thwarting our laws and then taking to our streets to demand we CHANGE our laws to accomodate their criminal behavior.
No matter how "peaceful" their protests are, they are basically making a mockery of American rule of law. People who entered the U.S. illegally and continue to live in the U.S., illegally, are breaking our laws. And no amount of peaceful protesting is going to make that right.
These criminals need to stop demanding that Americans accept them.
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