[clutchcargo777]

Originally Posted by Mikala43

And do you know how the virus is transmitted? Water droplets.

Oh I know. I just added this fun fact for the people who can't seem to squeeze any oxygen through that cotton. People really need to choose their battles.

[lvmensch]

As a practical example I monitor my SpO2 level all the time. Also get it checked multiple times a month particularly when I get my monthly infusion which takes 4 days. My normal SpO2 level is around 93 to 95% though I can drive it up to 98 or 99 on demand. I have pretty much the same levels the last two months wearing a mask as I did for the past year.

So practically the wearing of a 3 level or cotton mask does not effect the oxygen in my blood stream. I was, by the way, quite asthmatic as a pre teen. Used to turn blue on the front porch after exercise. Pretty well outgrew it but still can happen. Had a room next to an elevator shaft in Florida when in my 30s and went into a full blown asthma attack. That however is the only one in the last 50 years. I obviously avoid wet climates.

[xofruitcake]

Originally Posted by Katie the heartbreaker

It doesn't matter if they want to or not, they will do it. Las Vegas will be lock downed again, I just do not know when. I posted this before back in April which is the plan. This is a fed insider, so he knows what is up.



America should be ready for 18 months of shutdowns in ‘long, hard road’ ahead, warns the Fed’s Neel Kashkari

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/am...ari-2020-04-12


A government document that got leaked back in March basically said the same thing. From the NY Times.


U.S. Virus Plan Anticipates 18-Month Pandemic and Widespread Shortages


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/u...irus-plan.html

That is one xxxx assertion(fill in your own adjective). Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore all go on with their life without lock down today. They managed their spike in Covid-19 with face mask and test/trace. And today, people in Taiwan can go to a local restaurant without the fear of catching Covid-19 and local business are open. In the month if June, Taiwan has only 3 cases of Covid-19 according to the Wiki page. The only reason US cannot duplicate the same success is because ignorant people who think they know better and refuse to wear face mask and state government cannot implement test and trace effectively. US is not the first country that get hit by Covid-19, we are at best low to mid pack in term of how well we manage it thank to the lack of clear leadership at the Federal level and our CDC test kits screw up in Feb and ignorant citizen. State like NY will do better going forward because they have a near death experience and their citizen will remember the scene of freezer truck holding dead bodies outside of hospital and a stress out healthcare system. The rest of US will get there when they get their own near death experience. Every state with citizens that don’t take the virus seriously will replicate NY experience of a few weeks of almost busted healthcare system and fearful number of COVID patients daily. We saw that in Wuhan, Korea, Spain, and Italy. Nevada today has a Covid-19 reproduction rate of 1.52 (don’t know what reproduction rate is? Google it). If your governor does not shut down the transmission soon enough, you will get the New York experience. I already saw vblog advising people not visit LVS because the hotel the vblog host stayed (Cosmopolitan) has 4 workers tested positive in the last couple days and restaurants that he plan to visited has COVID-19 tested positive. So much for opening the economy ASAP.

https://rt.live/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVI...emic_in_Taiwan

[OmegaSupreme]

Originally Posted by Dom Cobb

Both of those articles are old, from March and April. You continue to push the idea that this is all planned and intentional - which by all accounts seems rather.... odd

You can't argue with someone that has a special crystal ball and believes in its powers.

[Mikala43]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

As a practical example I monitor my SpO2 level all the time. Also get it checked multiple times a month particularly when I get my monthly infusion which takes 4 days. My normal SpO2 level is around 93 to 95% though I can drive it up to 98 or 99 on demand. I have pretty much the same levels the last two months wearing a mask as I did for the past year.

So practically the wearing of a 3 level or cotton mask does not effect the oxygen in my blood stream. I was, by the way, quite asthmatic as a pre teen. Used to turn blue on the front porch after exercise. Pretty well outgrew it but still can happen. Had a room next to an elevator shaft in Florida when in my 30s and went into a full blown asthma attack. That however is the only one in the last 50 years. I obviously avoid wet climates.

I have one of those. I'm intrigued. Tomorrow, high of 97%, I will go out and do yard work for an hour with a mask. I'm 53 and a half , BMI of 21.1, but out of shape since moving (used to work out hard 5-10 hours a week, aside from hiking), have had little exercise in 6 months, but not a couch potato.

It's going to suck, but you made me curious. Thanks for the idea!

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by Mikala43

I have one of those. I'm intrigued. Tomorrow, high of 97%, I will go out and do yard work for an hour with a mask. I'm 53 and a half , BMI of 21.1, but out of shape since moving (used to work out hard 5-10 hours a week, aside from hiking), have had little exercise in 6 months, but not a couch potato.

It's going to suck, but you made me curious. Thanks for the idea!

I can sit here and move mine from 91% to 98% on demand in a couple of minutes. Just breath slow and shallow and it goes down to the low 90s. Deep and fast and it shoots up to the high 90s.

So I pay most attention to what it is normally...

[Mikala43]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

I can sit here and move mine from 91% to 98% on demand in a couple of minutes. Just breath slow and shallow and it goes down to the low 90s. Deep and fast and it shoots up to the high 90s.

So I pay most attention to what it is normally...

I bought mine because low oxygen is a sign to go to ER with covid, and plenty of reports that is kinda common to not know you are sinking to dangerous levels. I tested it a few times to make sure it works, and I always came in around 98-99%. DH was surprisingly coming in lower, but we didn't know that he had shingles. It was around 94%. He was breathing shallow from the pain.

[ND_Irish]

Originally Posted by Mikala43

It's the actions of the citizen's who refuse to help reduce spread that causes the spike in cases, and then things being shut down.

If you are carrying on, not social distancing and not wearing a mask, YOU, and all the others acting the same, are the reason for the shut downs.

If cases didn't go up, we would have been fine.

Don't blame the government because the children wouldn't behave themselves.

First, your arrogant concluding sentence implies we need a father figure for governor. I certainly do not need one, and I suspect most sensible Nevadans feel the same way. The governor via edict unilaterally shut down Nevada. It was not the actions of the citizens of Nevada, and any suggestion that the citizens of Nevada caused that calamity is laughable.

As far as the spike in cases, you must be referring to the people protesting in large groups in southern Nevada who were ignoring the social-distancing guidance two to three weeks ago. Furthermore, mask wearing was not mandated until almost four months into this mess so you are on very shaky ground suggesting that masks are part of the solution when there was a decline in cases without masks and people still crowding into "essential" businesses.

By the way, it appears SHND is confirming that it is those young people who appear most responsible for the increase in positive test results in southern Nevada. Source:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/p...cases-2062622/

The good news is that they are a low-risk demographic which explains why deaths are not spiking and why hospital utilization likely will not be an issue going forward. I see it as more progress to herd immunity which is what the elderly and those with underlying health conditions really need to minimize their risk. Masks do nothing more than provide a false sense of security.

[ND_Irish]

Originally Posted by Dltordj

if you are admitted for Covid there is no guaranteed treatment it's all trial and error. A lot of people are walking around with un-diagnosed conditions. How many people actually get a yearly work-up?

Sweden's herd immunity backfired. No one wants to be on the wrong end of that experiment.

We dont need shut down the economy again. People exhibiting mild symptoms in the beginning stages that don't stay home are the problem. If you feel off, under the weather whatever it is for you that is abnormal stay home. You don't go to work, to casinos, birthday parties, the grocery store. everyone else wear your mask and keep distance. That's it, really.

You said the following above: "Sweden's herd immunity backfired. No one wants to be on the wrong end of that experiment."

I posted the following article from CNBC last week which you must not have seen, and CNBC has not been a cheerleader for the Sweden approach. Synopsis: cases are declining, and the R rate is below 1. Their strategy did not backfire as you claim.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/17/swed...ronavirus.html

[Prosze]

Originally Posted by ND_Irish

You said the following above: "Sweden's herd immunity backfired. No one wants to be on the wrong end of that experiment."

I posted the following article from CNBC last week which you must not have seen, and CNBC has not been a cheerleader for the Sweden approach. Synopsis: cases are declining, and the R rate is below 1. Their strategy did not backfire as you claim.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/17/swed...ronavirus.html

I can link plenty of articles that say otherwise. I mean really anyone can google Is Sweden's herd immunity successful? Or Sweden herd immunity and get the answer. I could also point you to plenty of medical professional opinions but you'd rather believe conspiracy theories so no point.