$15,600 for illegals!!! (York: schools, live, restaurants)
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Exactly!! Outside of any NYC, LA or Dallas, etc bubble many, many of these jobs are still done with legal Americans!! You go 4 hours west of here in Pennsylvania and you won’t find construction crews, landscapers, cooks, etc dominantly being performed by illegals. And it’s like that all through the Midwest also. Seems like the major cities is the problem.
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Originally Posted by BOS2IAD
Most "line cooks"? Did you do a survey? Watch the Food Network sometime. Many who appear on their shows worked their way up in the BOH.
Did you also know that restaurant shift managers sometimes have to roll up their sleeves and cook the food when someone calls in sick? Yet these people keep working at their manager job. Our daughter worked her way up from server to manager.
As for staying in 2 or 3 star hotels---yes we have and yes we've seen Americans cleaning the rooms. The hotel we stayed in where the housekeeper remembered us 5 months later --- that was a 3 star hotel. Maybe you should travel deep into The Heartland. By doing so, you will see Americans doing such jobs. As I previously mentioned, high school kids in The Heartland spend their summers doing farm work.
Exactly!! Outside of any NYC, LA or Dallas, etc bubble many, many of these jobs are still done with legal Americans!! You go 4 hours west of here in Pennsylvania and you won’t find construction crews, landscapers, cooks, etc dominantly being performed by illegals. And it’s like that all through the Midwest also. Seems like the major cities is the problem.
Dirty little secret, federal government knows who hires illegals, and it would be like shooting fish in a barrel going after such places or persons. But *EVERYONE* both republican and democrat hires them so what would be the good of that?
Pick a service or business, construction, contractors, hospitality/restaurants/bars (especially in kitchens and other backroom operations), janitorial services, landscaping/gardening, child or elder care (private), agriculture... and so it goes, all of them have tons of illegals and have had them in some cases for decades.
One of the sad tales of woe and misery (and one reason why NY and CA created funds for illegals) is that people have been working for two or more decades, then covid hit and they got the boot. Never mind they worked off the books and either themselves nor employer paid a GD cent in taxes including UI, they were all in news media moaning about their plight. All these years money to send home, that they had, but don't ask about paying taxes.
IRS could do the same thing if it wasn't nobbled by budget cuts. Huge part of under or not reported taxes are by employers who hire off the books. Other bit are those that do collect say payroll taxes but pocket much of the money for themselves. Either way it would be like (again) shooting fish in a barrel if IRS began doing audits.
If immigration began round ups or IRS hauling people in what would be the point? Most of these businesses or persons could never remotely begin to pay off immigration fines, and certainly likely don't have what could be crippling fines, levies and liens IRS could easily impose. In either case as well sending people off to the can for several years would just leave lots of empty places around dinner tables. Businesses would close down, wife and kids left without as IRS and or immigration seizes things to pay off fines, levies and liens...
Illegals are so ingrained into most economies for decades now there just isn't a way to remove them without causing even progressive liberal socialist democrats pain.
Most two income households where the wife works do not make enough money to pay legit wages (including taxes) for nannies and cleaners. Doing so would eat up a good part of what the wife makes, so she just would have to stay home to take care of her own house and kids.
On the other side of things plenty of guys have gotten too lazy (or have better things to do), than take care of their own yard. Especially when a landscaping guy with a bunch of illegals does things for a very good price.
Construction/contractors? Good luck with that; there is a shortage atm for good union guys and they are all busy with big things that pay scale. Try hiring a general contractor nowadays. Most times he is the only American you'll see or deal with, his "crew" are day laborers (illegals) picked up from Home Depot parking lot or similar sources. People moan about this until they themselves need something done; then they go with the lowest bidder knowing (or should) fully well large part or all of the work will be done by illegals.
There was a time not long ago in this country a man could make a decent enough living as painter, general contractor, small time "handy man", gardener/landscaper, etc... No, they weren't rich but earned enough to provide for a family and keep their heads above water. Those days are largely over, you can't compete with illegal labor willing to work for any price even if it is well below normal.
Another case in point; years ago guys could make a living with a floor care business. Going into shops, restaurants and other small business places to clean and polish floors. Illegals have cornered that market as well. Some bits of second hand floor buffing/polishing/cleaning machines, dust and wet mops..... and they're in business. Rite Aid and plenty of other large chains all use these "services". Kicker is there isn't any law against using services provided by an independent contractor who is an illegal alien.
Most "line cooks"? Did you do a survey? Watch the Food Network sometime. Many who appear on their shows worked their way up in the BOH.
Did you also know that restaurant shift managers sometimes have to roll up their sleeves and cook the food when someone calls in sick? Yet these people keep working at their manager job. Our daughter worked her way up from server to manager.
As for staying in 2 or 3 star hotels---yes we have and yes we've seen Americans cleaning the rooms. The hotel we stayed in where the housekeeper remembered us 5 months later --- that was a 3 star hotel. Maybe you should travel deep into The Heartland. By doing so, you will see Americans doing such jobs. As I previously mentioned, high school kids in The Heartland spend their summers doing farm work.
Not for nothing, but you are using Food Network as your source of truth that Americans working in BOH and doing fine and dandy and many will work their way up? It is an entry level job with a high turnover rate. By the time the restaurant trains someone, they have already quit, forcing them to work short and requiring to rehire and retrain - which is why illegal immigrants work these jobs. It creates stability for the role.
What difference does that manager cooking reference make? I worked as a chef and took out the garbage, bussed tables, worked as a bartender, drove a 24ft box truck to an off site event and ect.
I asked if it was exactly the same demographic. Its not Americans can be seen working but a shift in the distribution of the working population.
Spoken like a true liberal Hey A few thousand are on the way. Are you going to Let them stay in your home/yard. Give them your or your children,s jobs ???
OK I dare you show me a KID standing at H.D looking for work ?
I cut the grass when young and still do Do you ???
My younger sister and I scrubbed bathrooms, floors and the Bar at our family's Night club. What the puck did you do???
As a contractor for the Largest window/glass/door MFG on L.I. I did crap the Ills would not do ? Yes I and other Contractors tried to get "them" to work at an entry level construction job. [ clean up, carry material, move things ETC. ] Even our spanish speaking Guys had trouble keeping them. Most wanted $150 cash and lunch for less than full day.
You have no idea what it is work .
Me At my age I still roof [ ok smaller ] I cut asbestos shingles to get at the nail fins of windows. They will not do it.
Now The Russian and other Slavic guys jump at the chance and speak English
Get your head out of your back pocket.
My landscaper cuts my grass. He is as American as you are and gets paid double what an undocumented worker would get. My contracting work cost me a small fortune cause I hire union guys.... I talk the talk and walk the walk. Like i said. Arrest those who hire illegal workers and break the law.
Not for nothing, but you are using Food Network as your source of truth that Americans working in BOH and doing fine and dandy and many will work their way up? It is an entry level job with a high turnover rate. By the time the restaurant trains someone, they have already quit, forcing them to work short and requiring to rehire and retrain - which is why illegal immigrants work these jobs. It creates stability for the role.
What difference does that manager cooking reference make? I worked as a chef and took out the garbage, bussed tables, worked as a bartender, drove a 24ft box truck to an off site event and ect.
I asked if it was exactly the same demographic. Its not Americans can be seen working but a shift in the distribution of the working population.
And... Your point is what, exactly?
Do you think that those who appear on Food Network shows are lying about their BOH experiences? Do you find it hard to believe that there are Americans who enjoy working there and want to improve their skills? Don't you realize that there are well known culinary schools here in the US?
Yes, there is turnover in BOH jobs. You don't get the reference about managers sometimes having to do a BOH job when someone calls in sick? Why do you have a problem with that? Some who work for chain restaurants go through a management program where they are taught to prepare the recipes. Many don't seem to realize that.
It appears to have gone over your head when I pointed out that Americans can be seen doing BOH jobs. I'll explain since you didn't get the reference. Many say it's only illegals doing those jobs and claim that no Americans do such work. That's a falsehood. All I did was point out that the assumption that no Americans work those jobs is false. Nor did I ever say that non-Americans aren't working those jobs.
Do you think that those who appear on Food Network shows are lying about their BOH experiences? Do you find it hard to believe that there are Americans who enjoy working there and want to improve their skills? Don't you realize that there are well known culinary schools here in the US?
Yes, there is turnover in BOH jobs. You don't get the reference about managers sometimes having to do a BOH job when someone calls in sick? Why do you have a problem with that? Some who work for chain restaurants go through a management program where they are taught to prepare the recipes. Many don't seem to realize that.
It appears to have gone over your head when I pointed out that Americans can be seen doing BOH jobs. I'll explain since you didn't get the reference. Many say it's only illegals doing those jobs and claim that no Americans do such work. That's a falsehood. All I did was point out that the assumption that no Americans work those jobs is false. Nor did I ever say that non-Americans aren't working those jobs.
It's not that it goes over my head but actually out of all the ppl who have commented your reference is so small, it doesn't even matter since you don't get the root cause. Your stating a point for the sake of.
Your real point has to do with supply and demand instead of legal vs illegal. Stores still have needs, retention is huge, so they offer programs to grow from within. They also might pay a bit more and offer benefits and cover school cost as well. They have to, otherwise they could fail. This is so much more.important now due to costumer experience driving sales.
Walmart just a few yrs back started a management training program despite their issues and it has been successful. It is still a job, that they have opened up a career path for a select few. Yea some make it, but as a percentage, it is small. Second to that want vs need. No one says I dream to be a line cook or store clerk, hence most leave or fail to make a bigger move. Dangling the carrot to incentivize growth.
What is going on in this thread? Tate’s bakery, located far away from any city, in a region known as fairly conservative, hires and employs hundreds of illegals. Is there not plenty of Americans willing to work there? Right under the nose of an extreme right wing legislator that’s running for governor of New York.
What is going on in this thread? Tate’s bakery, located far away from any city, in a region known as fairly conservative, hires and employs hundreds of illegals. Is there not plenty of Americans willing to work there? Right under the nose of an extreme right wing legislator that’s running for governor of New York.
Nobody cares!! Not being disingenuous.
That's exactly my point. Im not demonizing the illegals who come here to work like dogs for scraps and make a life and contribute to the economy. I'm demonizing the people who create wealth from hiring them when they could just as well hire American workers. I can't even get a slice of pizza in NEW FRIGGAN YORK without an illegal working tossing the dough in the air. It's beyond disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.
My whole block has one company that has captured all the landscaping contracts. Owner is a nice American gentleman. His whole crew of workers can't speak a lick of english. My 19 year old neighbor asked him for a job and he flat out told him "you can't outwork these guys for what I pay them".
We now have a "donut" economy - upper class and lower class, with a hole in the middle. The true middle class is gone. The lower end of the upper class, which is large in number, lives an affluent life off of the backs of illegals, as well as dirt poor workers in places like China and elsewhere. Constant money being spent on take out and restaurant meals, high end clothes and cars, landscaping, vacations, shore houses, expensive travel sports even for mediocre athletes. The list goes on and on. These same people (myself included) are not contributing anymore to society than yesterday's middle class. It is just real cheap, in today's dollars, to live an upper class lifestyle - to live in a way that would shock earlier generations. If you took my family income and adjusted it to 1985 dollars, there is no way I could afford the things I spend money on if I was transported back to 1985.
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