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Certain demographic groups are at essentially zero risk of serious outcome from a Covid infection (and that is true no matter the variant and has not changed in two years - no matter the media coverage/highlights/sensationalism).
It is understandable why those certain groups would be reluctant to vaccine (where is the upside?)
To counter the understandable reluctance of that group, a new argument regarding 'stopping the spread' to help out those groups (elderly, obese, etc.) at a higher risk of negative outcomes was employed.
But vaxxing, it is clear, does not stop the spread. So, the new argument has gone bye-bye.
Of course, given that, we're going to have folks in those certain demographic groups who don't see an upside to the vaccine. (And the vaccinated/boostered are not at all threatened by these folks - no matter the media coverage/highlights sensationalism).
[This is wholly apart from mitigating effects and the vax for the at-risk folks. Different issue entirely. As are the one-offs and exceptions one may always find in human experience.]
You would almost think that certain twitter warrior low life types really WANT someone's young boys to get really sick and die from covid so their holier-than though absolute position can be justified with a celebratory "I told you so". I realize that the anonymity of the internet allows people to be much bigger a-holes than they would be face to face with anyone, but seriously I'm finding that tthis social media echo chamber thing has turned a lot of younger adults into completely reprehensible human beings...at least in their online personas.
I didn’t mention anything about vaccinated adults (Like myself) spreading anything to kids. All I am saying is “science” has decided it’s best that children get vaccinated. Now that they are all getting vaccinated, cases are out of control. Covid was never really an issue for kids until now.
It still isn't really an issue for kids (thank God).
It is not misinformation that the covid vaccines may rarely cause myocarditis in boys (cases I know of personally of the presumably few dozen vaccinated) at the same time that covid very rarely has negative outcomes in boys (I know zero of the many dozens infected I know over 2 years). Knowing those 2 things, the only legitimate justification for vaccine vs unvaccinated for people in this demographic would be stopping the spread. That is no longer a legitimate justification as the vaccine has failed miserably in that aspect. So from that point on, passing judgement on people not having their boys vaccinated is only the action of a despicable holier than thou low-life hoped up on the pseudo-power most likely fueled by social media.
Take a nice long look in the mirror and evaluate what this covid situation, viewed through the current media model you have chosen as your means of affirmation, has turned you into.
Agreed. Science is about testing hypotheses. If we can’t question health guidance we are doomed. There is no “one size fits all” approach to COVID. It depends on your age and risk factors.
Here is a good example of a country updating its policies based on evolving knowledge: Norway has decided to only give 1 dose of Pfizer to kids aged 12-15 unless they have underlying health conditions. Children under 12 are not getting vaccinated unless they themselves are ill. Most of the adverse cardiac events in boys are observed after the second dose and 1 dose provides enough protection for this age group.
You may ask, who care what Norway thinks, but they have been ahead of the curve and have reacted faster. This country identified the Thrombocytopenia that occurred after the AstraZeneca vaccine (similar to J&J) and then successfully treated it. Then they promptly halted its use in March 2020, a full month before the CDC issued its warning and pause. They also determined that people younger than 30 should not receive the Moderna vaccine because the risk of adverse cardiac events was higher from the vaccine rather than getting COVID for younger people. They then gave their excess supply of Moderna away to other countries.
In the U.S. we love to make pharmaceutical intervention INSTEAD of lifestyle changes, such as statins for high cholesterol instead of change in diet + exercise. We do probably have more fat kids than Norway does though.
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Agreed. Science is about testing hypotheses. If we can’t question health guidance we are doomed. There is no “one size fits all” approach to COVID. It depends on your age and risk factors.
Here is a good example of a country updating its policies based on evolving knowledge: Norway has decided to only give 1 dose of Pfizer to kids aged 12-15 unless they have underlying health conditions. Children under 12 are not getting vaccinated unless they themselves are ill. Most of the adverse cardiac events in boys are observed after the second dose and 1 dose provides enough protection for this age group.
You may ask, who care what Norway thinks, but they have been ahead of the curve and have reacted faster. This country identified the Thrombocytopenia that occurred after the AstraZeneca vaccine (similar to J&J) and then successfully treated it. Then they promptly halted its use in March 2020, a full month before the CDC issued its warning and pause. They also determined that people younger than 30 should not receive the Moderna vaccine because the risk of adverse cardiac events was higher from the vaccine rather than getting COVID for younger people. They then gave their excess supply of Moderna away to other countries.
In the U.S. we love to make pharmaceutical intervention INSTEAD of lifestyle changes, such as statins for high cholesterol instead of change in diet + exercise. We do probably have more fat kids than Norway does though.
A lot more. A big part of it is laziness on the authorities part, or lack or respect that the populace can understand any nuance and thus using the hammer to bang the square peg into round hole.
I guess bringing up Norway's "science" makes you a Trump supporting racist misogynist terrible person who deserves covid death along with your children, according to the low life twitter warriors on this thread?
If the vaccine isn't 100% effective, it's a failure Same with the vaccine passport, because we know Vaccinated people catch covid, Vaccinated people spread covid, and Vaccinated people die from covid. Unless your a senior in hospice care, your covid will just be like the flu. Most people are just "testing positive" there is a difference between testing positive and being sick,it's called flu season. Did you know that hospital capacity has followed the same.pattern every flu season for decades now?
While I am not pro-mandate or a super-fan of the vax you really don't know what you are talking about even when you are correct.
How do you know what is misinformation and what is good info? Considering that obesity, which is a major problem in the US, is a leading cause of Covid hospitalization and death, are those people in the fat acceptance movement lowlifes too? It’s not just being unvaccinated that leads to bad outcomes but other, sometimes self inflicted, health issues that lead to bad outcomes. The vaccine helps but it really won’t save you from a visit with Mr Ventilator if you are already a ticking time bomb.
Are you suggesting the fear mongering media is leaving a juicy story of vaccine side effects untold? Do you see any downside for anyone taking the Covid vaccine?
It is not misinformation that the covid vaccines may rarely cause myocarditis in boys (cases I know of personally of the presumably few dozen vaccinated) at the same time that covid very rarely has negative outcomes in boys (I know zero of the many dozens infected I know over 2 years). Knowing those 2 things, the only legitimate justification for vaccine vs unvaccinated for people in this demographic would be stopping the spread. That is no longer a legitimate justification as the vaccine has failed miserably in that aspect. So from that point on, passing judgement on people not having their boys vaccinated is only the action of a despicable holier than thou low-life hoped up on the pseudo-power most likely fueled by social media.
Take a nice long look in the mirror and evaluate what this covid situation, viewed through the current media model you have chosen as your means of affirmation, has turned you into.
There is no amount of hyperbole that will make up for you depriving your children of a safe vaccine. You're gonna have to work the guilt out on your own terms.
Are you suggesting the fear mongering media is leaving a juicy story of vaccine side effects untold? Do you see any downside for anyone taking the Covid vaccine?
Downside? I guess that’s why the administration is now spending BILLIONS of dollars on test kits? To see how well the vaccinations are working? As Covid numbers are probably double or triple than reported. Especially since many are NOT reported due to home testing kits?
Then why all this talk about shutting class rooms again?
Teachers unions are very powerful. Not going to happen in NY.
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