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Public transit is a great thing for any city and all top notch cities have good public transit systems with the only "world" city exception of LA. Which is better than Miami's anyway.
Are their "wackos" on public transit? Of course there are! Just like there are crazy, dangerous drivers on the road. Living in DC without a car public transit was great! Along with being a zip car member I had no problems doing anything in the area. I enjoy driving very much, but if it became too expensive or too much of a hassle to drive I would take public transit. It is also nice to not have to worry about driving home going out to a bar. The "wackos" I have seen and dealt with in metros in Barcelona, DC, NYC, LA etc.. are far less dangerous and scary than the drivers on the streets in Miami. Miami needs public transit and that is one of the very few things I think taxes could be raised (very slightly .5penny) for. If casinos come to town public transit and education need to be the two areas of funding that they put into the most because I think those are the two things which are currently hurrting this city the most. Anyone who is "against" public transit is really not thinking straight. You do not need to use it every day but it is only good for our city.
Would love to know how I am catching HIV (not AIDS) or Hepatitis in a train or bus? Unless something goes stabbing people with used needles. Can't tell if there is sarcasm there or not..
I-Pod??
So much oil in this world that has not been explored due to low prices. Just think about how much oil is untouched in the US. That is for another topic. But with rising prices yes, there will be less cars. That is why Miami needs to get on public transit yesterday.
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What tall rick meant was Peak Oil. Peak Oil doesn't say that the stuff is running out. It says the CHEAP and EASY to get to stuff is running out. Once the hard stuff to extract is all thats left, prices will go up to offset the cost of extraction.
What tall rick meant was Peak Oil. Peak Oil doesn't say that the stuff is running out. It says the CHEAP and EASY to get to stuff is running out. Once the hard stuff to extract is all thats left, prices will go up to offset the cost of extraction.
What I am saying is with our current oil fields and places which we would currently take oil out of yes this could happen in the next 20-30 years. But there are so many other places around the world which are not thought about or explored much for oil production. There is plenty and once oil prices get up enough those places will be drilled putting production back up, maybe not prices down. But "Peak Oil" means production is on the same down curve down as it went up which means running out. At least how I have understood it and how it was taught to me in college.
What I am saying is with our current oil fields and places which we would currently take oil out of yes this could happen in the next 20-30 years. But there are so many other places around the world which are not thought about or explored much for oil production. There is plenty and once oil prices get up enough those places will be drilled putting production back up, maybe not prices down. But "Peak Oil" means production is on the same down curve down as it went up which means running out. At least how I have understood it and how it was taught to me in college.
This is why I always tell people to NOT use wikipedia. It is information provided by people who may or may not know what they are talking about.
Here, read this:
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What is peak oil?
Peak oil is the simplest label for the problem of energy resource depletion, or more specifically, the peak in global oil production. Oil is a finite, non-renewable resource, one that has powered phenomenal economic and population growth over the last century and a half. The rate of oil 'production', meaning extraction and refining (currently about 85 million barrels/day), has grown almost every year of the last century. Once we have used up about half of the original reserves, oil production becomes ever more likely stop growing and begin a terminal decline, hence 'peak'. The peak in oil production does not signify 'running out of oil', but it does mean the end of cheap oil, as we switch from a buyers' to a sellers' market. For economies leveraged on ever increasing quantities of cheap oil, the consequences may be dire. Without significant successful cultural reform, severe economic and social consequences seem inevitable.
That is from the energy bulletin website. You can also look up the founder of the theory M. King Hubbert.
I am not saying it won't run out one day. It will, just not in our life time and not in our kids life time. But it will become MUCH more expensive. Just look at what happened in America. We used to be the Saudi Arabia of the world until we hit peak oil. Doesn't mean we don't have oil in America, it just cost a LOT more to extract it than before. I think it has to be 150 a barrel to make extraction profitable in the states now. This is why we MUST, MUST, MUST have mass transit. I don't think people get it. A good movie to watch if your interested is called "End of Suburbia"
And there are also many people in NYC with money who will never take those trains
And I would rather be stuck in traffic than being on a busy train or bus. I can still listen to the radio, in a train I would be stuck listening to some homeless Guy asking for money or singing for money, .... or worse yet, I would have to listen to some hipster's tacky performance.
But not all buses and trains are like that. See my previous post. There are plenty of buses and trains across the country mainly used by people going to work who don't want to deal with the stress and cost of driving into the city.
Here in NYC, the suburban trains have higher fares within city limits. For instance, a monthly pass between Jamaica and Penn Station here in NYC costs $193 on the LIRR, but $104 on the subway. The "common man" takes the subway in, and the people who don't want to deal with the noise of the regular subway trains pay the extra money and take the LIRR. Everybody's happy.
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Do not worry, peak oil is going to reduce the number of cars on the roads. Meanwhile, I am enjoying my free driving thanks to my plastic to diesel reactor.
Very true.
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Originally Posted by miamiz31
Public transportation is an experience. Even when something goes wrong, like a smelly homeless guy boarding the bus without paying and then parading up and down the aisle while screaming obscenities before exiting and banging on the bus windows as it drives away...at least you end up amused/entertained.
Yup. Here in NYC, there are people who walk around the trains playing music. Some are actually quite good.
And like I said, for the extra price, there is public transportation available that is generally free of those disturbances.
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Public transit is a great thing for any city and all top notch cities have good public transit systems with the only "world" city exception of LA. Which is better than Miami's anyway.
Are their "wackos" on public transit? Of course there are! Just like there are crazy, dangerous drivers on the road. Living in DC without a car public transit was great! Along with being a zip car member I had no problems doing anything in the area. I enjoy driving very much, but if it became too expensive or too much of a hassle to drive I would take public transit. It is also nice to not have to worry about driving home going out to a bar. The "wackos" I have seen and dealt with in metros in Barcelona, DC, NYC, LA etc.. are far less dangerous and scary than the drivers on the streets in Miami. Miami needs public transit and that is one of the very few things I think taxes could be raised (very slightly .5penny) for. If casinos come to town public transit and education need to be the two areas of funding that they put into the most because I think those are the two things which are currently hurrting this city the most. Anyone who is "against" public transit is really not thinking straight. You do not need to use it every day but it is only good for our city.
The fact that there are some wealthy people who dont take mass transit doesn't negate the fact a TON of them do. As for the other stuff about listening to music, errr, what?! You have obviously never been to NYC..
I dont like iPods. Anything attached to my ear annoys me. Actually I can barely stand hats, glasses and jewelry.
I lived in NYC and still go there often. So you are obviously wrong.
I dont like iPods. Anything attached to my ear annoys me. Actually I can barely stand hats, glasses and jewelry.
I lived in NYC and still go there often. So you are obviously wrong.
Either your not telling the truth about being from NYC or you exaggerate, a LOT. People are on the train listening to music ALL the time. You made the claim there is no way to listen to the radio on the train. Also, stations are starting to get cellphone service, so that means streaming internet radio opens up as well. The fact you like or dislike iPods doesn't negate that fact.
Either your not telling the truth about being from NYC or you exaggerate, a LOT. People are on the train listening to music ALL the time. You made the claim there is no way to listen to the radio on the train. Also, stations are starting to get cellphone service, so that means streaming internet radio opens up as well. The fact you like or dislike iPods doesn't negate that fact.
You obviously can't read.
1. I didn't say I'm from new York, I said I lived there
2. I didnt say people can't listen to the radio. I just said I don't like headphones or listening to music I didn't request like hipsters performances, homeless singing or people blasting their stereos
3. You are making up 70% of what you claim I'm saying. I'm talking about my personal xperiences, I'm not talking about anybody else.
Finally I'm not against public transportation, I just don't like using it. I wouldnt mind paying higher taxes if we were to build more local trains
1. I didn't say I'm from new York, I said I lived there
Your right, sorry.
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2. I didnt say people can't listen to the radio. I just said I don't like headphones or listening to music I didn't request like hipsters performances, homeless singing or people blasting their stereos
Here is what you said:
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Originally Posted by ♥♥PRINC3Ss♥♥
And there are also many people in NYC with money who will never take those trains
And I would rather be stuck in traffic than being on a busy train or bus. I can still listen to the radio, in a train I would be stuck listening to some homeless Guy asking for money or singing for money, .... or worse yet, I would have to listen to some hipster's tacky performance.
The way you worded it, it seemed as if you were saying listening to music/radio on a train was not possible. As opposed to you having a dislike for ipods or whatever.
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3. You are making up 70% of what you claim I'm saying. I'm talking about my personal xperiences, I'm not talking about anybody else.
Nope, you were not clear, see above.
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Finally I'm not against public transportation, I just don't like using it. I wouldnt mind paying higher taxes if we were to build more local trains
I understand, everything isn't for everyone. that's for sure.
Doesn't mean we don't have oil in America, it just cost a LOT more to extract it than before. I think it has to be 150 a barrel to make extraction profitable in the states now. This is why we MUST, MUST, MUST have mass transit.
To me, the reason for mass transit is not because we're going to run out of oil and our cars are not going to have anymore gas to run (we'll eventually switch over to what is now considered "alternative" energy), but because we could never build enough roads (and parking) to keep up with our growth rate. We have a finite land area to develop, and a finite fraction of that land area to dedicate to roads. Either we are going to have continuous suburbs from Weston to Naples (which would be sad), or we're going to need mass transit.
Normal people do not want to be transported standing up,as it happens with animals...
Very few find a vacant seat for the duration of their trip.
Normal people do not want to smell the odours of strangers.
Normal people do not want to be infected by other people's viruses,whom they forcefully inhale..
Viruses which cause illness ( common flu) even death ( Asian flu,TB.)
Normal people do not like to be insulted,offended,threatened,harrassed,
as it regularly happens in MT...
Generally,.normal people have an ideology in favour of posession of property,convenience,luxury.
The abnormal people who advocate MT are socialists,regular or green...( "environmentalists"....)
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