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Man listen. You keep using the some old excuse that low paid workers are needed in order to justify to keep them around. Don't worry about that. I guarantee you there will be no shortage of low wage workers whether they have to travel longer distances or not there will be no shortage. Next!
Why do you think that people will put up with 2 hour commutes? Can they afford it? Yes a monthly commute costing hundreds of dollars.
Oh I see. YOU are a slum land lord so will happily accommodate two families in a 1 BR, and then wail that they have destroyed your apartment.
Let me see. 2 hours to work, 2 hours from work, and they will need to raise their kids. Commuting costs through the roof. Because people will soon all have to move to Philly at this rate.
I foresee the wealthy wailing that people are "lazy" because they can no longer find any one to take their kids to the park or to wipe their mother every time she messes her adult diaper!
Imagine the sight of those wealthy socialites with their pearl jewelry walking their kids in the park, and removing the feces from their ageing mother!
LOL. A Haitian saying goes "If work were a good thing, the rich would have found a way of keeping it to themselves."
I've been to very wealthy towns in Westchester where low income/hood people don't exist, yet somehow there is no shortage of low wage jobs such as McDonalds, Walmart, CVS, etc., and somehow they have no problem filling those jobs. But how can that be? According to Caribny, the rich need to rub elbows and live with their peasants. Therefore we must keep them around really close to us.
Great. Now when you need someone to repair one of your buildings, where will you find them? Will you be willing to pay top dollar for the few who will remain when the many are forced out to live in PA?
Didn't think of that did you.
Don't worry about that. It's under control. Still doesn't change things.
Long commutes (2 hours) are taxing and even dangerous. What does a parent do when he gets an urgent call that his kid is dangerously ill and that he must deal with that situation? a daily commute from Philly or the PA Poconos isn't going to cut it.
The outer boroughs are already full. Its a fallacy to say that middle class people priced out of Brooklyn and Upper Manhattan can be easily accommodated there. The inner suburban ring is also occupied, and transportation links aren't the best.
Please!
Each evening and into the night plenty of cars, minivans and other vehicles carrying Mexicans and other Hispanic/Latinos make their way from PA to NYC for a variety of "work". Some to collect recyclables, others run (on the books or off) floor cleaning services and so forth. By early morning before rush hour is well underway they are making the commute back to PA.
Parts of PA have literally been taken over by Latino/Hispanics and other "poor" from NYC that still find ways to make the nearly two hour (or longer) commute into NYC to make their money. They come back here because quite frankly it is where the big money is located. But they cannot afford to live here so their money goes further in PA.
In the meantime the focus on the poor and lower income is driving out the very persons NYC needs, stable middle class/income households. They are being priced out by the wealthy on one end and very little housing that is "affordable" for them is being created.
And this is what all the Marie Antoinettes with their screams of "let them live in the Poconos" fail to understand. No one is going to put up with the long and expensive commutes, with the adverse impacts on family life (yes the same snarky folks will demand that parents remain involved with their kids) indefinitely?
NYC has a crisis and its about time all of these mediocre middle class people who engage in fantasies that they are rich, come down to earth. The dependent poor are NOT leaving NYC. Its the lower middle class who have grown extremely tired and frustrated of living in this city.
Why do you think that people will put up with 2 hour commutes? Can they afford it? Yes a monthly commute costing hundreds of dollars.
Oh I see. YOU are a slum land lord so will happily accommodate two families in a 1 BR, and then wail that they have destroyed your apartment.
Oh yes, I'm a slumlord. A slumlord that passionate in improve the Bronx. In fact, that's how I've been able to successfully attract doctors, teachers, accountants as my tenants...by being a slumlord. Riiiight!
Problem with NYC is the same with many other major American urban areas, that is investment much less interest in rail travel dried up post WWII.
Elsewhere in the world, Paris, London, and so forth it is *NOT* uncommon for persons to live outside, sometimes well outside the core city but commute in via rail. It was the main purpose of the NYC subways to get persons out of the crowded and unhealthy lower areas of Manhattan to upper parts of that borough as well as Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx.
Every single town along the NJT rail corridor with Manhattan access has exploded in growth. This proves persons will move out of the core of NYC *if* inexpensive and reliable transportation can bring them back and forth to work or other purposes in the City.
Each evening and into the night plenty of cars, minivans and other vehicles carrying Mexicans and other Hispanic/Latinos make their way from PA to NYC for a variety of "work". Some to collect recyclables, others run (on the books or off) floor cleaning services and so forth. By early morning before rush hour is well underway they are making the commute back to PA.
Parts of PA have literally been taken over by Latino/Hispanics and other "poor" from NYC that still find ways to make the nearly two hour (or longer) commute into NYC to make their money. They come back here because quite frankly it is where the big money is located. But they cannot afford to live here so their money goes further in PA.
Or, they can afford to live in NYC but choose not to when they can get much more for less elsewhere. Heck, you don't need to be poor to appreciate greener pastures. We can afford to live in NYC but why would we want to?
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