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The point isn't what the founding fathers had in mind, it's the time period in which the laws were created.
You missed the entire point of my comment which differentiates between our God given rights, you know the phrase "we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights" which have nothing to do with the times and laws that are passed by a legislature at any given time. You claimed you knew all that but it is quite obvious that you don't.
Ironically, there would not have even been immigration at this level if not for conservative Republicans who worhship small businesses and cheap labor
You forgot to mention Democrats who worship government dependency who thrive on an impoverished class of people who live off of government through massive entitlement programs designed to keep them in power and enslave those who are dependent on them.
Importing massive amounts of impoverished illegal immigrants can not be a good thing for this country. Some one will have to feed, clothe, house, educate and take care of their medical needs. There are just not enough jobs to go around to employ American citizens let alone employ all of these foreign invaders, otherwise we would have a negative unemployment rate and a massive labor shortage. This is just not the case, not now or in the foreseeable future. The cost of supporting these invaders will eventually fall on the shoulders of the middle class who are already struggling to keep their own heads above water. This will eventually lead to an even lower standard of living for them and eventually force them to seek out government assistance. Sooner or later as the safety net gets so full it will sink the boat that cast it and the United States of America will be no different than the countries that those invaders fled.
You missed the entire point of my comment which differentiates between our God given rights, you know the phrase "we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights" which have nothing to do with the times and laws that are passed by a legislature at any given time. You claimed you knew all that but it is quite obvious that you don't.
Except, though difficult, the Bill of Rights can be amended. There is no such thing as God given rights. The rights of an individual are determined by the SOCIETY in which they live. The Bill Rights is nothing more than a collection of rights our founding fathers thought all citizens should have, given the era in which they lived. We've added more to the list over the years. The whole point of my statements, was that the far right is adamant on changing the 14th amendment, but they want the 2nd to remain as is. I'm am not arguing for or against anything, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.
I still fail to see the hypocrisy. If a group believes that a particular amendment is no longer relevant, they can follow the proper Constitutional process to effect change. I'll never believe that the government alone reserves the right to weapons which can be easily used to suppress the people. The 2nd Amendment will always be relevant in that sense. Immigration laws which were put in place when our nation was effectively an empty wilderness no longer apply and should be changed.
Maybe you need to stop looking for a reason to marginalize those who disagree with your worldview.
If you want to talk abut hypocrisy, let's talk about the fact that Obama swore an oath to uphold the laws of our nation, something he clearly is not doing.
Astorian31:
You are thick headed! The reason they were declared certain inalienable rights that are endowed by our "creator" is so the only thing that could eliminate those rights is our "creator" not some elected government. I tried to explain the reasons that we are a "Constitutional Republic" and not a democracy but you still don't get it.
Amnesty will happen even though I am against it, what can you do? all illegals equal tax money!
Maybe not, I think that what's happening down on the Rio Grande has woken a lot of people up. We have to put a stop to this. What can we do? Hound our elected officials relentlessly and if this BS continues work diligently to get them thrown out of office. This is the most important issue that this country faces today if we are to remain a free country and not become some third world dictatorship.
You forgot to mention Democrats who worship government dependency who thrive on an impoverished class of people who live off of government through massive entitlement programs designed to keep them in power and enslave those who are dependent on them.
Importing massive amounts of impoverished illegal immigrants can not be a good thing for this country. Some one will have to feed, clothe, house, educate and take care of their medical needs. There are just not enough jobs to go around to employ American citizens let alone employ all of these foreign invaders, otherwise we would have a negative unemployment rate and a massive labor shortage. This is just not the case, not now or in the foreseeable future. The cost of supporting these invaders will eventually fall on the shoulders of the middle class who are already struggling to keep their own heads above water. This will eventually lead to an even lower standard of living for them and eventually force them to seek out government assistance. Sooner or later as the safety net gets so full it will sink the boat that cast it and the United States of America will be no different than the countries that those invaders fled.
So it was in the interest of both Republicans and Democrats to allow the status quo of immigrants to remain, so small businesses (and certain large businesses) have lots of cheap labor (those business interests are an important Republican base) , and so the Democrats can expand their base (as Republicans attack poor people, that drives them to the Democrats).
The true reason why there's this concern from the right on immigration is as the Republican party has moved ridiculously to the right, these people (immigrants) upon becoming children or giving birth to children who are automatically US citizens won't vote for the Republicans.
Stop the hate, stop the hate speech, and once you're able to have rational conversations with others THEN perhaps we can work out more comprehensive solutions on issues like jobs and social service spending. Until then the status quo quite clearly is going to remain as it is in the interest of both parties.
What can we do? A few letters to officials won't work. It will take visible protests like what happened out in California. This is the only issue I've seen since I've been an adult that I will be politically active in,
Are illegals being shipped to nyc like they were to marieta, California? (I know I spelled town wrong)
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manhit:
Maybe not, I think that what's happening down on the Rio Grande has woken a lot of people up. We have to put a stop to this. What can we do? Hound our elected officials relentlessly and if this BS continues work diligently to get them thrown out of office. This is the most important issue that this country faces today if we are to remain a free country and not become some third world dictatorship.
NyWriterdude:
If it will make you feel any better, yes I agree with you the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is paying off the Republican Party to provide as you said cheap labor to businesses and as far as I'm concerned have abandoned their real base. Hence the birth of the Tea Party. The Democrats on the other hand depend on an impoverished class of people to keep them in power along with a growing cycle of dependency. It's simply not sustainable, the far left radicals know this and will never be happy until the capitalist system is completely destroyed and everyone can be equally miserable except that is for the people that rule over us. Every Socialist Country provides proof of this. Yet that is their mission and they are trying to accomplish this through class warfare and class envy. Similar to what the Nazi's did with the persecution of the Jews or any other class of people they deemed unacceptable in their society. Once people can provide for themselves they no longer need the government to support them and thus there is less of a need for the Democratic Party's socialistic goals. Just as it is to the benefit of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton et. al. to constantly fan the flames of racism. If there were no racism in America those imbeciles would be irrelevant in today's society. Not wanting this nation to be overrun with poorly educated, poorly skilled, impoverished people that will almost certainly be dependent on government does not make anyone a hater. I have no problem with people regardless of their race or skin color legally immigrating to this country providing that they can provide for themselves and properly assimilate into our culture and way of life and drop all the hyphenated American BS that only serves to divide us and will lead to the "balkanization" of the United States. Any clear thinking person should be able to understand that this will not be good for the future of this country. For those who are in favor of this except for those at the very bottom of the economic ladder this will eventually have a profound effect on their quality of life too, but by then it will be too late. You will have gotten what you wished for unfortunately we all will have to wallow in it.
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There is no such thing as God given rights. The rights of an individual are determined by the SOCIETY in which they live. The Bill Rights is nothing more than a collection of rights our founding fathers thought all citizens should have, given the era in which they lived. We've added more to the list over the years. The whole point of my statements, was that the far right is adamant on changing the 14th amendment, but they want the 2nd to remain as is. I'm am not arguing for or against anything, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.
