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There is plenty of hispanics. I see them all the time. I however never saw a black fireman or an asian one, or a moslem one, or native american.
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This report is actually pretty fascinating with a lot of good insights.
Page 19.
FDNY ethnic breakdown.
White 76%
Hispanic 12%
Black 10%
Asian 2%
I would think that the firefighting positions are skewed more heavily white (if you remove paramedics, administrative, inspectors, etc.). I'm just speculating as I can't find the stats for that. The above stats at least provide a baseline.
FDNY, LPC, and OEM have the greatest proportion of white employees. DOP, DOC, and DHS have the largest percentages of black employees. TLC, BIC, and NYCHA have the largest proportion of Hispanic employees. DDC, SCA, and HHC have the largest proportion of Asians. American Indians/Alaskan Native employees are found only in a few agencies. Looking at the trend over time, certain agencies have become significantly more diverse. For example, in Fiscal 2003, NYPD was 50% white and 50% non-white. In Fiscal 2012, the proportion of non-white employees increased to 59%, as other ethnicity groups form the majority of the agency. Indeed, all four uniformed agencies saw a proportional decrease in white employees over the ten year period..
Stats have nothing to do with how NYPD or NYFD should be paid. It's not like they are sales people, paid for how many fires they put out or perps they shoot.
Stats have nothing to do with how NYPD or NYFD should be paid. It's not like they are sales people, paid for how many fires they put out or perps they shoot.
lol
NYwriter stick to academia and your fairytale world.
lol
NYwriter stick to academia and your fairytale world.
Fireman and policeman are not paid as salesmen. There is no reason to cut their salaries just because crime and fires are down.
On a long term basis, if they came up with ways to effectively prevent crime and fires maybe you would need to employ less officers and firemen.
I am not an expert in what numbers of officers or firemen the NYPD and the NYFD need to remain operational, so I won't make baseless claims.
Unlike you who has never worked in law enforcement, the fire department, or disaster prevention. No one is going to take you seriously on this matter as you clearly do not have the background to claim expertise.
Fireman and policeman are not paid as salesmen. There is no reason to cut their salaries just because crime and fires are down.
On a long term basis, if they came up with ways to effectively prevent crime and fires maybe you would need to employ less officers and firemen.
I am not an expert in what numbers of officers or firemen the NYPD and the NYFD need to remain operational, so I won't make baseless claims.
Unlike you who has never worked in law enforcement, the fire department, or disaster prevention. No one is going to take you seriously on this matter as you clearly do not have the background to claim expertise.
I can understand with a humanities degree that you're not particularly good with numbers but fires are down. Way down in fact. So is crime in NYC.
The Bloomberg administration weren't experts either? The Bloomberg admin had a list of 20 fire companies it wanted to shut down initially and this was in 2011. Fires have only been decreasing.
[quote]“You rank fire houses and companies based on how much they get used, what kind of response time and then you have to see at the end what kind of financial realities there are,” Bloomberg said.[quote]
I know humanities degrees don't teach you guys **** but there are ways to quantify this and act in the best interests of the city. Your argument seems to be, "yes, these agencies have the city by the balls and there's nothing we can do".
As for NYPD. The 50% of the force that are desk jockeys, let's start there. Plenty of fat to trim. You want the city to build affordable housing or improve infrastructure or lower taxes? Well it can't because we waste so much money on overstaffed city agencies. It's pure waste.
Cut the fat and pay those that we actually need more. I'd have no problem with that.
Last edited by wawaweewa; 03-27-2016 at 12:06 AM..
Dude, the residents of those neighborhoods came out in force in protest any time your little whiny troll of a mayor tried to close houses when he was in. It seemed clear that people had no problem using their tax dollars to keep their local companies intact.
[quote=wawaweewa;43499604]I can understand with a humanities degree that you're not particularly good with numbers but fires are down. Way down in fact. So is crime in NYC.
The Bloomberg administration weren't experts either? The Bloomberg admin had a list of 20 fire companies it wanted to shut down initially and this was in 2011. Fires have only been decreasing.
[quote]“You rank fire houses and companies based on how much they get used, what kind of response time and then you have to see at the end what kind of financial realities there are,” Bloomberg said.
I know humanities degrees don't teach you guys **** but there are ways to quantify this and act in the best interests of the city. Your argument seems to be, "yes, these agencies have the city by the balls and there's nothing we can do".
As for NYPD. The 50% of the force that are desk jockeys, let's start there. Plenty of fat to trim. You want the city to build affordable housing or improve infrastructure or lower taxes? Well it can't because we waste so much money on overstaffed city agencies. It's pure waste.
Cut the fat and pay those that we actually need more. I'd have no problem with that.
I would like to add that most of these officers don't live in the city and reside in the suburbs. That's money going away from the city coffers to support the suburbs indirectly.
Dude, the residents of those neighborhoods came out in force in protest any time your little whiny troll of a mayor tried to close houses when he was in. It seemed clear that people had no problem using their tax dollars to keep their local companies intact.
What do you do for a living?
You guy sure do fight a lot of fires.
As another poster so correctly put it,glorified EMT's.
I didn't even know how bad it was before this thread and doing some elementary research.
Imagine if someone can really take a deep dive into the bull****.
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