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Old 09-23-2018, 05:04 PM
 
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The pay is among the highest in the country for those positions. Minimum wage will soon be $15, similar jobs in most of the country would be at least a few dollars less per hour.
That's actually not bad for retail job, but the unfortunate truth is, it's not a living wage in NYC. It might be elsewhere where housing costs are not as high. Try earning $28,000 a year and finding an apartment to rent in NYC -- it's impossible.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:30 PM
 
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That area will only get better in terms of gentrification. Whole foods would not have set up shop if there weren't some clear trend lines.

What's going to happen more and more is what's happening to the former Path mark site.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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That's actually not bad for retail job, but the unfortunate truth is, it's not a living wage in NYC. It might be elsewhere where housing costs are not as high. Try earning $28,000 a year and finding an apartment to rent in NYC -- it's impossible.
That's true, but it's unlikely those jobs will ever pay enough to afford NYC market rate housing.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:35 PM
 
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The pay is among the highest in the country for those positions. Minimum wage will soon be $15, similar jobs in most of the country would be at least a few dollars less per hour.

You are assuming a 40 hour week, which is not always common in retail, and becoming less so as wages increase.


Places like Starbucks probably are on the better end, especially when you factor in bennies:
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Sta...0,23_IM615.htm


OTOH there are plenty of other retail gigs in NYC that barely pay above minimum wage. This and they are doing things like cutting hours, heavy use of part-time and so forth to keep labor costs down.


https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/n...15_KO14,36.htm


Days of getting set schedules for part-time much less even full for retail in many places has long gone. Places staff by demand models and often will tell people with less than 24 hours notice they don't have to come in. IIRC NYC (surprise, surprise) recently enacted laws to address these issues.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:37 PM
 
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That's true, but it's unlikely those jobs will ever pay enough to afford NYC market rate housing.
No need. NYC is a welfare "state". Low wage workers aren't the ones getting shafted in this city. It's the middle income earners.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:40 PM
 
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No need. NYC is a welfare "state". Low wage workers aren't the ones getting shafted in this city. It's the middle income earners.
Well that's true of people who live in the projects, but I wonder how much longer low income groups (Mexicans, Dominicans, etc.) will be able to afford the private buildings they live in. Sure you can have roommates, as most do (not exclusive to immigrants of course), but there will reach a point where even that gets too expensive.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:46 PM
 
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Well that's true of people who live in the projects, but I wonder how much longer low income groups (Mexicans, Dominicans, etc.) will be able to afford the private buildings they live in. Sure you can have roommates, as most do (not exclusive to immigrants of course), but there will reach a point where even that gets too expensive.
If you know how to work the welfare state, all is well. Especially for "single" mothers.

I'm not saying that low income workers live like kings, but they do just fine.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:51 PM
 
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You are assuming a 40 hour week, which is not always common in retail, and becoming less so as wages increase.


Places like Starbucks probably are on the better end, especially when you factor in bennies:
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Sta...0,23_IM615.htm


OTOH there are plenty of other retail gigs in NYC that barely pay above minimum wage. This and they are doing things like cutting hours, heavy use of part-time and so forth to keep labor costs down.


https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/n...15_KO14,36.htm


Days of getting set schedules for part-time much less even full for retail in many places has long gone. Places staff by demand models and often will tell people with less than 24 hours notice they don't have to come in. IIRC NYC (surprise, surprise) recently enacted laws to address these issues.
There are hiring agencies that can lend you full time jobs, even though they're minimum wage mostly.

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If you know how to work the welfare state, all is well. Especially for "single" mothers.

I'm not saying that low income workers live like kings, but they do just fine.
I don't think that's feasible for everyone even if they wanted to be on welfare in the first place. NYCHA is filled to capacity and private landlords will just keep ra. Look at the average household income in certain Bronx neighborhoods versus what the rent in that neighborhood is. Apartments starting at $1500 per month in neighborhoods with household incomes of 30k, that's insane.
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Old 09-23-2018, 06:06 PM
 
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I'm not saying that low income workers live like kings, but they do just fine.
They DO??
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Old 09-23-2018, 06:20 PM
 
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Well that's true of people who live in the projects, but I wonder how much longer low income groups (Mexicans, Dominicans, etc.) will be able to afford the private buildings they live in. Sure you can have roommates, as most do (not exclusive to immigrants of course), but there will reach a point where even that gets too expensive.
I know

you wont be able to go to 138th Street for Mexican food anymore

So sad
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