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Exactly—it’s not the NYPD’s job, so the reference to 9/11 doesn’t make quite so much sense as to why we should or should not defund the police. I think there are a few things that municipal police departments do that can probably be carried over to other agencies (for example, traffic violations were formerly part of NYC DOT a couple of decades back, but were moved over because of the promise that it would be more effective, but that has arguably not turned out to be true and meanwhile personnel costs went way up for essentially the same work; plus, automating a lot more of this is probably far more cost-efficient).
Agreed that there should be more stringent screening and auditing processes along with more training. Putting up some of the first response to unarmed disturbances to social workers whether as part of the NYPD or shuffled to another department does require funding though how you do that doesn’t always necessitate more funding—social workers on average don’t exactly cost a premium over police officers despite the years of tertiary education and training many social workers have.
Even if you transfer some responsibility, will still need to fund it. What difference makes if NYPD gets the money, or another agency? Only cops should do traffic stops. Those are dangerous.
As for responding to disturbances, how/who determine is unarmed and harmless? Even if the caller did not think the "disturbance" is deadly, someone with authority must respond or who will respect any order? Perhaps the social worker can write summons or fines, but that is more punishment after the fact than immediate deterrent.
Even if you transfer some responsibility, will still need to fund it. What difference makes if NYPD gets the money, or another agency? Only cops should do traffic stops. Those are dangerous.
As for responding to disturbances, how/who determine is unarmed and harmless? Even if the caller did not think the "disturbance" is deadly, someone with authority must respond or who will respect any order? Perhaps the social worker can write summons or fines, but that is more punishment after the fact than immediate deterrent.
That’s what I was saying—it’s likely not truly a budget cut of the same severity as it’s presented. Shifting people to another division means the funds go there and actually “hides” the budget cut extent actually meted out on that agency. I’m actually hoping NYC heads full bore towards more automation of traffic violations—speeding, running red lights, reported stolen vehicle license plates, illegal u-turns, bus lane violations, broken lights, parking violations especially double parking, the works! We’re in a golden age for cameras and computer vision, so it’d be far easier to implement than it had been for London and Singapore which took a lot more in costs and manpower monitoring cameras that they had initially. I’ve run programs off a $35 dollar microcomputer with built-in storage and wifi and $15 dollar camera that can do all of these running openCV 4 and that’s at consumer, single purchase prices. Unfortunately, our mayor’s a bit of a dumb dumb so I’m not pinning my hopes on that, and even if he did, it’d probably be for several times that amount per unit. Hopefully they’d at least get it down to less cost amortized over a few years than the personnel costs they’d replace. That shouldn’t be too hard, but you never know with Big Bird. TBQH, probably half of the jobs of the people on this board can be automated within this decade either directly or by having fewer personnel for the same output, especially white collar office work.
I think it’d partially have to be the caller and the dispatched. It’s certainly not unheard of in other parts of the world, but the question is how effective would it be here. It’s a pretty wild experiment.
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The whole situation is so extremely perverse. NYPD is very welcomed and appreciated in many neighborhoods and they will continue to be and do the rounds and respond to calls. The animals throwing bricks at cop heads and burning squad cars have made it very clear that the NYPD is not welcome in their neighborhoods. Guess what, police won't show up there, wish granted!!
The people who need police the most are the ones vilifying them. I bet their tune changes real fast after a few months of constant slaughter and fear of leaving the apartment
Make no mistake, the criminals know this is open season and they have free reign. They are going to get while the getting is good, and there are no grown ups in charge to stop them
This is highly welcome news! Not as good as automation, but still good! I wish there would be that small cursory investment into all buses to have a camera front and back to constantly enforce bus lane and double parking violations. It’s done wonders in other places, so it’s hard to imagine why it wouldn’t do so here. Do you know if there are plans for installing cameras at stoplights and streetlights to automate more of this?
Says no street cred AOC from lily white Yorktown heights ny lol
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