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So can anybody tell me how can an adult survive on their own in NYC for $2,000 a month? Can it be easily done?
An adult who rents a cheap studio and can somehow get greatly discounted food from their job at a supermarket can survive here. They won't thrive. It won't be easy. However certain jobs are not meant to have a family, live in the apartment of your liking, travel when you want and generally live a good life.
If that is what the person wants, then they WILL have to aspire for more than a supermarket job. A mediocre job is going to give you a mediocre existence.
School is free for people earning under $80K in NYC now anyways. So there is no reason why one cant upgrade their skill to make themselves more marketable for another job.
I think most understand that certain jobs are not structured for self sufficiency. They are meant as part time gigs, in between work gigs. However, one can always start out in the lower levels in these jobs and try to find something more sustainable/better paying within the company.
A supermarket employee in Switzerland earns about $30K to $37K a year. Food and everything else is also notoriously expensive to go with the high prices and higher salaries.
I have spoken to low wage employees (hotel front desk clerks, taxi drivers, restaurant employees etc) when I visit. They love the high standard of living. But even for a country notorious for its high wages, the low wages employees ALL stated that they did not live in city centers. Many lived in some form of affordable housing, with roommates or family members.
Mass transit is insanely efficient there though so it is easier to commute to work.
Maybe instead of increasing salaries to unsustainable levels, we could improve mass transit so that workers can commute from affordable locations.
Mass transit in the USA even in NYC is not the most efficient.
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Originally Posted by LOVEROFNYC
An adult who rents a cheap studio and can somehow get greatly discounted food from their job at a supermarket can survive here. They won't thrive. It won't be easy. However certain jobs are not meant to have a family, live in the apartment of your liking, travel when you want and generally live a good life.
If that is what the person wants, then they WILL have to aspire for more than a supermarket job. A mediocre job is going to give you a mediocre existence.
School is free for people earning under $80K in NYC now anyways. So there is no reason why one cant upgrade their skill to make themselves more marketable for another job.
That's cool. I just wanted to make it clear what type of lifestyle the TJ job could sustain in the 5 boroughs, or moreover, who would be more likely to apply. So we shouldn't look down on people other than HS kids or retirees employing, because after all, they need the job right, why else would they apply
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"The man who sleeps on the floor, can never fall out of bed." -Martin Lawrence
We have to stop acting as if society owes anything to (or cares about) people who are not motivated to pursue more for themselves. Everyone talks a good 'i am so concerned' ''But what about the poor!!" game. But most truly don't. Those poor folks also get their hopes up that anyone is going to help them when they are not interested in helping themselves. It doesn't work that way.
Even when the downtrodden seek salvation in houses of worship, the most they recieve are 'prayers and I will keep you in my thoughts".
The sooner people realize that they can't rely on anyone but themselves to make changes in their lives, the better.
Here is some tough love:
NO ONE CARES! NO ONE IS GOING TO PUT THE EFFORT INTO YOUR LIFE THAT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO PUT INTO YOUR OWN. NOT EVEN FRIENDS OR FAMILY, much less strangers (especially on a message board)
So toughen up buttercups!!! Go find out what you need to improve your life and make sheeeet happen. Find a better job, find ANY job, look for that apartment, find whatever resources you need. It starts with you.
Either minimum wage has to be $20 and hour, or rents have to come down and produce too.
But just thank inflation that has been growing since.....
There is a base price built into goods and services. NYC (where everything is expensive, with a million regulations, union jobs/workers etc) automatically is going to be 30% more expensive off the ground. before we even factor in demand.
We can up minimum wage, but many things will become even more expensive. I mentioned Switzerland as the country is known for high wages (and standard of living) but everything else is also extremely expensive.
People are life long renters living in apartment buildings because they can never afford to buy anything.
A nothing special house in many locations (even outside of the main city centers) start at $1 million there.
That is not the case in the USA.
Here in the USA and NYC it is possible for many to purchase property and build businesses that they can leave to their family members and give them a 'leg up'. That is not the case in locations with insanely high cost of living.
We have to stop acting as if society owes anything to (or cares about) people who are not motivated to pursue more for themselves. Everyone talks a good 'i am so concerned' ''But what about the poor!!" game. But most truly don't. Those poor folks also get their hopes up that anyone is going to help them when they are not interested in helping themselves. It doesn't work that way.
Even when the downtrodden seek salvation in houses of worship, the most they recieve are 'prayers and I will keep you in my thoughts".
The sooner people realize that they can't rely on anyone but themselves to make changes in their lives, the better.
Here is some tough love:
NO ONE CARES! NO ONE IS GOING TO PUT THE EFFORT INTO YOUR LIFE THAT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO PUT INTO YOUR OWN. NOT EVEN FRIENDS OR FAMILY, much less strangers (especially on a message board)
So toughen up buttercups!!! Go find out what you need to improve your life and make sheeeet happen. Find a better job, find ANY job, look for that apartment, find whatever resources you need. It starts with you.
If we're going to accept that that some will "win" in life, and some will "fail" in life, then stop pushing those that "fail," to "win"
Let them "fail"
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"The man who sleeps on the floor, can never fall out of bed." -Martin Lawrence
There is a base price built into goods and services. NYC (where everything is expensive, with a million regulations, union jobs/workers etc) automatically is going to be 30% more expensive off the ground. before we even factor in demand.
We can up minimum wage, but many things will become even more expensive. I mentioned Switzerland as the country is known for high wages (and standard of living) but everything else is also extremely expensive.
People are life long renters living in apartment buildings because they can never afford to buy anything.
A nothing special house in many locations (even outside of the main city centers) start at $1 million there.
That is not the case in the USA.
Here in the USA and NYC it is possible for many to purchase property and build businesses that they can leave to their family members and give them a 'leg up'. That is not the case in locations with insanely high cost of living.
You are renting your property from your local government.
Your rent = your property taxes.
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"The man who sleeps on the floor, can never fall out of bed." -Martin Lawrence
No difference between us selling our homes for major profit and renters who walk away with nothing to show for it?
Also include that the property owner can take a paid taxes as a deduction. Tenants cant.
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