Quick Poll: Who will you vote for in the Presidential election? (Republic: lawyer, young professionals)

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by RememberMee

WRONG. http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance.

Total contributions (candidate + party + PACs)

Obama - 934mils
Romney - 881 mils

$ Collected by Romney and Obama

Obama - 637 mils
Romney - 388 mils

Remember the 9 out of 10 rule and you'll be right 90% of the times.

Your problem is that this data only includes one Super Pac each. Republicans spent more money, but I guess that doesn't fit your narrative.
2012 Presidential Race | OpenSecrets

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D: $932,057,249 vs. R: $1,028,444,968

What's the bigger number?

[RememberMee]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Your problem is that this data only includes one Super Pac each. Republicans spent more money, but I guess that doesn't fit your narrative.
2012 Presidential Race | OpenSecrets

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D: $932,057,249 vs. R: $1,028,444,968

What's the bigger number?

Please, "Outside Spending" is impossible even to define not speaking of coming up with ridiculously "precise" numbers $128,020,533 and $407,889,381. How did they come come with those insane numbers? Where is $128,020,533.99 I'm so accustomed to? Did they include all the $ spent by unidentified partisans on fuel, oil changes, fast food, beer, toilet paper, hemorrhoid pills and condoms as a result of their formal or informal involvement with campaigns? People who could come up with $128,020,533 could easily account for those crucial expenditures.

Fact, there are numbers one can touch and verify. The numbers shows clearly that ruling/owning class picked Obama over Romney (despite ostentatious rhetoric otherwise). 637 mils collected by Obama campaign vs. 388 collected by Romney campaign, that's the numbers one should pay attention to. Attempts to construct a people's tribune Obama who has overcome massive dollar flood unleashed by oligarchical forces are delusional at best.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by westernkansas

I hope the stock market crashes and mass lay-offs across the nation. all praise allah obamy

Total meltdown for Republicans today. Your party has become a joke and unless you do some serious soul searching, get back to basics and fully reject tea party social conservatism and xenophobia, you're going to continue to lose in the future.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Dayton Sux

Is there any good in-depth analyses, yet, of how the vote went by county, and maybe be demogrpahics.

It would also be interested to compare with the 2008 results.

I'd think Ohio, being such a key state, would get a lot of postmortems on how the vote went here.

I have all the numbers, but not going to waste my time and post them on this board.

The general turnout was down from 2008, though. Republicans did better in some already red counties and Democrats did a little worse in them, but it was not nearly enough to matter.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by RememberMee

Please, "Outside Spending" is impossible even to define not speaking of coming up with ridiculously "precise" numbers $128,020,533 and $407,889,381. How did they come come with those insane numbers? Where is $128,020,533.99 I'm so accustomed to? Did they include all the $ spent by unidentified partisans on fuel, oil changes, fast food, beer, toilet paper, hemorrhoid pills and condoms as a result of their formal or informal involvement with campaigns? People who could come up with $128,020,533 could easily account for those crucial expenditures.

Fact, there are numbers one can touch and verify. The numbers shows clearly that ruling/owning class picked Obama over Romney (despite ostentatious rhetoric otherwise). 637 mils collected by Obama campaign vs. 388 collected by Romney campaign, that's the numbers one should pay attention to. Attempts to construct a people's tribune Obama who has overcome massive dollar flood unleashed by oligarchical forces are delusional at best.

Yes, one should only pay attention to the numbers one wants to believe. It's the GOP way!

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Total meltdown for Republicans today. Your party has become a joke and unless you do some serious soul searching, get back to basics and fully reject tea party social conservatism and xenophobia, you're going to continue to lose in the future.

I understand the social conservatism issue but I live near a Planned Parenthood location and walking by there on garbage day is sometimes a bit disturbing.

[RememberMee]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Yes, one should only pay attention to the numbers one wants to believe. It's the GOP way!

Apparently, one can just make up the numbers one wants to believe in and insist that $407,889,381 has any foundation in reality, common sense be damned. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. For starters, a definition of the "outside spending" would not hurt. One can pull a number from the rear, but I insist on a definition of that number.

I have a hunch that the same people who figured out that an average American housewife deserve $134,121 in salary figured that $407,889,381 in "outside spending" thing up to a dollar. If only I could turn my imagination in a hefty salary the way those pros converted their wild imagination into a paycheck.

[RememberMee]

Originally Posted by Kamms

I understand the social conservatism issue but I live near a Planned Parenthood location and walking by there on garbage day is sometimes a bit disturbing.

Try a meat plant or an Iraqi/Afghan town after a mop up. Zillions acts of carnage, blood, **** and gore constitute "nature's harmony". Overwhelming majority of the modern women (regardless of their political & religious preferences and affiliations) want to reserve the right to kill their fetus. That's the fact. After some number of years mass preferences institute themselves as "morality". Be patient.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by RememberMee

Apparently, one can just make up the numbers one wants to believe in and insist that $407,889,381 has any foundation in reality, common sense be damned. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. For starters, a definition of the "outside spending" would not hurt. One can pull a number from the rear, but I insist on a definition of that number.

I have a hunch that the same people who figured out that an average American housewife deserve $134,121 in salary figured that $407,889,381 in "outside spending" thing up to a dollar. If only I could turn my imagination in a hefty salary the way those pros converted their wild imagination into a paycheck.

You're rambling again. It's just math, my man. Just math. Actually go look at the link I posted before talking more.

[RememberMee]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

You're rambling again. It's just math, my man. Just math. Actually go look at the link I posted before talking more.

You may believe in green men, $134,121 in housewife salary or any number of your choice for what I care, however, I asked a specific question "what do they mean by "outside spending"? ". I understand that OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting is an evidence in itself (for some people), but I insist on definitions. A few sentences on "methodology" they provide is a joke, I haven't seen any math there, just a few sentences of trivialities.


OK, if you don't provide definitions (I couldn't find), there is no point for our "discussion". Believing in $407,889,381 is just as culturally relevant as believing in Buddha, Vishnu or Big Beaver. In no way, I am trying to pass a judgement on your faith.