what would you do if your toddler put something in the stroller while shopping and didn't realize it until getting home? (weight, toys)
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It was the toddler that was stealing a necklace. Next time the parents should watch the kid better.
More like $500 in California! But when you got away with speeding did you turn yourself in to the police?
Let's put it this way, if I get a ticket I always pay. By driving too fast I don't steal money out of the city pocket. I get it, breaking the law by speeding, and you trying to justify that with stealing...since that is also breaking the law...
Murder :breaking law, very bad. You took a life from an innocent person. Always turn yourself in.
Stealing: breaking law, you stole something didn't belong to you. No good. If it was unintentionally, do the right thing so you sleep good at night knowing you gave back what didn't belong to you.
Driving 50 in a 40 zone, : breaking law. Unless you hit somebody, no harm done to anybody...except your wallet...maybe.
When I was 3, I ate a grape in the store without paying. My mom didn't see it in time. Well, she told the cashier what happened. It's a good practice to teach your kids early. And I really don't understand how anybody can feel different.
I agree with you! It happens...you can't always go back.
You can ALWAYS make it right. You call and put it on a credit card, you send a check, you square it next time you are at the store. What an honest person does not do is justify inaction.
I think where you have it wrong is you don't get to choose what is moral and what isn't, or what values other people should have. So to you not returning a pack of gum is immoral, even if taken on accident and taking it back would be a huge pain. But if I shadowed your life I would be willing to bet that you do many things that I would consider immoral. But unlike you, I bet I would find a spot of grace for you and not judge so harshly.
I'm pretty done with this conversation. I have said my peace, gotten my rep points for being honest and am walking out of this Sunday school classroom.
Our justice system has decided stealing is wrong and made it illegal, so, yes, others have made the decision for you. You don't get a choice.
When I was 3, I ate a grape in the store without paying. My mom didn't see it in time. Well, she told the cashier what happened. It's a good practice to teach your kids early. And I really don't understand how anybody can feel different.
What did the cashier say? One grape wouldn't even add a penny to your total, I wouldn't think. Did she call over the manager to add a cent to your bill? Or did she say, "oh, don't worry about it," thus giving you the impression that it's fine to eat a grape?
Our justice system has decided stealing is wrong and made it illegal, so, yes, others have made the decision for you. You don't get a choice.
Has it? I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted because their baby swiped a pack of gum. I'm not sure that the justice system gets involved in tiny matters like this.
Unsurprisingly, you have a reaction like this. I am drawing parallels to other technically illegal things people do, quite frequently really, to point out the hypocrisy of some posters here. That's completely relevant when some have displayed the attitudes they have.
Yes, speeding IS illegal, but it is not the topic here. You keep trying to justify keeping the pack of gum, or necklace, or whatever a toddler might take, when it would be so simple to pay for it next time you're in the store. Why not just do the most moral thing? And yes, paying for the item is more moral than intentionally not paying for it.
You want to keep talking about speeding. Ok. If I notice that I am inadvertently speeding, I immediately slow down. I don't try to justify why I was speeding by saying, "Well some people steal packs of gum." I just try to correct my speed.
On what planet is keeping an item your child took the best option??? What would compel someone to do that? Laziness? A secret joy in getting something for free? Cheapness? Seriously, WHY are you advocating keeping it when it is so easy to just pay for it?
What did the cashier say? One grape wouldn't even add a penny to your total, I wouldn't think. Did she call over the manager to add a cent to your bill? Or did she say, "oh, don't worry about it," thus giving you the impression that it's fine to eat a grape?
I don't know what she said but that isn't the principle of the matter. The point was to teach me that it's NEVER ok to take something that isn't yours. If it was an accident you make it right. I don't go to your house and pocket things just because they are inexpensive.
It was the toddler that was stealing a necklace. Next time the parents should watch the kid better.
More like $500 in California! But when you got away with speeding did you turn yourself in to the police?
Stealing and speeding are not equivalent.
The equivalent of turning yourself in for speeding would be to turn your child in for shoplifting. No one is suggesting that parents do that. What they are suggesting is that it is moral, to return the item or pay for it, potentially with the toddler depending on their maturity level.
What did the cashier say? One grape wouldn't even add a penny to your total, I wouldn't think. Did she call over the manager to add a cent to your bill? Or did she say, "oh, don't worry about it," thus giving you the impression that it's fine to eat a grape?
The problem with this argument is that you are assigning morality a numerical value. That is a mistake as it means there is a sliding scale of what is right and what is wrong. Given that children, especially toddlers, don't understand money, that makes it more likely you are sending the message that it is ok to take things that don't belong to you sometimes.
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I just try to correct my speed.
