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this topic is still ongoing? took my munchkins to a fancy shmancy restaurant last night. interesting a lot of people commente
on how beautiful they are. they were their usual self, happy loud funny. then again no one had a problem with them and they still enjoyed their fancy meals. most of the world is awesome. there are some who think my kids should stay at home with a babysitter. thankfully, I never got that memo. my kids go wherever I go.
I could not agree more - but there are two problems here:
1) Most parents are under the assumption that the entire WORLD is AS ENAMORED with their offspring as THEY are (DOPEY PARENT ALERT: INCORRECT ASSUMPTION!!).
2) Most people are inconsiderate of others because they were raised by parents who were inconsiderate, classless, and ill mannered themselves (you can't teach what you don't know).
As a parent of a 3 year old myself - I can tell you that we follow a simple rule when selecting a place to eat out that was shared with me a long time ago:
The AVERAGE price of an entree at the restaurant you are taking a child should NOT be MORE than 2x your child's age.
At the least - following the above rule insures that the occasional behavioral problems that are to be expected from small children are not interrupting a $30 or $50 meal of fellow patrons.
If my daughter were to have behavioral problems while out - I would simply escort her out and give her a chance to calm down. If that failed, I'd simply have my wife have the server make two doggy-bags out of our meals and exit the establishment.
This is insane! Parents have it tough as it is. They shouldn't be barred from nicer restaurants based on this ridiculous premise. You can absolutely bring your children to any restaurant, barring that child is moderately well behaved and the parents make a joint effort to discipline the child if he/she acts up. We have always brought our young one to such places, and it's been fine. Only once we had to leave a restaurant early b/c she was tired and crying. So we upended our night for everyone else. No problem. In fact, we are always embarrassed when our child makes noise in public places such as a restaurant, and I am sure MOST parents are the same.
I don't appreciate the tone of all these posters complaining and whining and slamming parents. Do you know how hard it is to have kids, let alone in public places? Give people a break. They may be at their wits end. Also, kids are part of Reality. They are part of the human race. We share spaces with other people. Sometimes there is some element in your environment not to your liking. That's Life! And in the case of kids, that's LITERALLY life! They are a blessing and a handful. If some kids are being loud, say something. Or, have a drink and a laugh, and focus on something else. Don't be so judgmental.
this topic is still ongoing? took my munchkins to a fancy shmancy restaurant last night. interesting a lot of people commente
on how beautiful they are. they were their usual self, happy loud funny. then again no one had a problem with them and they still enjoyed their fancy meals. most of the world is awesome. there are some who think my kids should stay at home with a babysitter. thankfully, I never got that memo. my kids go wherever I go.
Stop being so ridiculously defensive already. It's tedious.
Your kids were probably well-behaved. Well-behaved children are welcome almost anywhere in public.
avienne
whether well-behaved or not they will still go everywhere with me. ppl who don't like kids should just turn their heads the other way. I will never be defensive about this topic. just real dear.
avienne
whether well-behaved or not they will still go everywhere with me. ppl who don't like kids should just turn their heads the other way. I will never be defensive about this topic. just real dear.
The people defending ill-behaved children on this thread will never get it, so simply give up. All they see is someone talking about THEIR angels (and most of us know that if they have parents with that attitude, they will grow up to be anything but... and yet it is useless to try to convince them of the error of their ways).
As has been stated time and time again, it is not about the kids, but about how the kids are being raised. More power to you if your 95% well-behaved child acts out 5% of the time and you DEAL WITH IT and remove the child from the situation and make sure that there are some consequences for their actions (e.g. not being able to stay at "dinner out"). That is NOT what this thread was originally about. It was about the irresposnsible parents who let their kids run wild. If you are defending these people, then it is my assumption that you are one of them, and you won't be convinced of the inappropriate behavior you are perpetuating. I just hope I can go about my life without ever having to interact with the children you are ruining.
The people defending ill-behaved children on this thread will never get it, so simply give up. All they see is someone talking about THEIR angels (and most of us know that if they have parents with that attitude, they will grow up to be anything but... and yet it is useless to try to convince them of the error of their ways).
As has been stated time and time again, it is not about the kids, but about how the kids are being raised. More power to you if your 95% well-behaved child acts out 5% of the time and you DEAL WITH IT and remove the child from the situation and make sure that there are some consequences for their actions (e.g. not being able to stay at "dinner out"). That is NOT what this thread was originally about. It was about the irresposnsible parents who let their kids run wild. If you are defending these people, then it is my assumption that you are one of them, and you won't be convinced of the inappropriate behavior you are perpetuating. I just hope I can go about my life without ever having to interact with the children you are ruining.
Long Islanders already think they're better than everyone else, why does it suprise you that they'd have this attitude in regards to their children? I say this as a native Long Islander who spent the first thirty three years of my life there! Whenever I go back to the Island to visit the people always look in a rush and pissed off at the world. Barely anyone says thank you when you hold doors open for them. Soccer moms on their cellphones driving their SUV'S yacking to their friends oblivious to their surrondings as they tailgate me. Youre right there is no sense in arguing with them. Their kids will grow up just like them and the cycle will continue.
Long Islanders already think they're better than everyone else, why does it suprise you that they'd have this attitude in regards to their children? I say this as a native Long Islander who spent the first thirty three years of my life there! Whenever I go back to the Island to visit the people always look in a rush and pissed off at the world. Barely anyone says thank you when you hold doors open for them. Soccer moms on their cellphones driving their SUV'S yacking to their friends oblivious to their surrondings as they tailgate me. Youre right there is no sense in arguing with them. Their kids will grow up just like them and the cycle will continue.
Yup, EVERYONE on LI is exactly the same. We are ALL pissed off at the world, we are not friendly and we never say thank you. All 3 million of us.
LOL, I agree with this. It seem so many parents think their child can do no wrong, I'm not saying a child will be perfect but DAMN! When you let your child run all over the resturant and THEN get angry when someone tells you make your child sit down[so that they don't get hot food spilled all over them, or cause someone elses meal to be dumped], there is an issue. When your child goes to someone elses table and picks their nose and smears it on yoru table[did not personally happen to me but read about a couple that it did] and you get mad when they say something, I have an issue. When your child is screaming and throwing sh(i)(t) all over the place and you just laugh away, I have a problem. If you cannot teach your child better than that, get your food to go. I realize at a family resturant there will be children, but If I go to a fine dining, or upscale establishment, I don't expect to see children there(there is probably nothing on the menu that a child would even appreciate anyway).
I once read a story about a woman whose meal was ruined by a couple w/ a child and she told the server to put her meal on their tab. I know those ppl werent happy. She said "since you were kind enough to ruin my meal, I thought you'd be nice and pay for my lunch".
More than two children is an ecological disaster equivalent to an oil spill.
I disagree. In some areas ppl are big on family and in some areas ppl still work the land, thus needing alot of kids. Some grew up w/ larger families and that's what they want for their children. I say if the kids are not being abused, or neglected then ppl need to mind their own business. To me having more than two kids is no worse than only having two kids or one kid and then living in a 7 bedroom house(If you only have two children, what the hell do you do w/ all of that space? That's just a bunch of space that you will never u use") Ppl don't know how to downsize nowadays. I think if anything it's the high maintance attitude that we carry today that is the ecological disaster.
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