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Old 10-15-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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you actually almost made sense here, though you are forgetting that the lenders were forced to make sub prime loans by the government, and community organizations like acorn. also the people that signed for loans they knew they could not afford also have culpability in this as well. you can not lay all of this on the lenders alone.
Sure you can blame it on them... Lenders know who can pay and who can't...
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Old 10-15-2010, 12:42 PM
 
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Sure you can blame it on them... Lenders know who can pay and who can't...
this is quite true, and normally the lenders would have either refused the loans outright, or allowed approval on a lower amount. common sense should tell someone that is making $50k per year, that they could never afford a $700k mortgage. unfortunately the CRA, and pressure from groups like acorn, conspired to force lenders to make such loans. but it wasnt just the sub prime markets that collapsed. there were many speculators that also caused the problem. many people would buy a house, do a little work on it, and then flip it in a couple of years as the housing prices went up, and roll their old mortgage into a newer more expensive home, and do the same thing, all the while expecting the housing prices to keep going up so that the constant debt wasnt an issue.

so again, when oil prices spiked, and prices on everything went up, and the economy slowed substantially, the first thing to collapse was the housing market. when it collapsed, it took a lot of things with it, including jobs, and stock market value.
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Old 10-15-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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this is quite true, and normally the lenders would have either refused the loans outright, or allowed approval on a lower amount. common sense should tell someone that is making $50k per year, that they could never afford a $700k mortgage. unfortunately the CRA, and pressure from groups like acorn, conspired to force lenders to make such loans. but it wasnt just the sub prime markets that collapsed. there were many speculators that also caused the problem. many people would buy a house, do a little work on it, and then flip it in a couple of years as the housing prices went up, and roll their old mortgage into a newer more expensive home, and do the same thing, all the while expecting the housing prices to keep going up so that the constant debt wasnt an issue.

so again, when oil prices spiked, and prices on everything went up, and the economy slowed substantially, the first thing to collapse was the housing market. when it collapsed, it took a lot of things with it, including jobs, and stock market value.
George Bush encouraged all that lending that created the bubble to try to distract everyone from his war policy and massive war spending debt...
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Old 10-15-2010, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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George Bush encouraged all that lending that created the bubble to try to distract everyone from his war policy and massive war spending debt...

no...
clinton did through his Chiefs of HUD, Henry Cisnero, and Andrew Cuomo
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Old 10-15-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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Mike Huckabee: Would you take out a homeowners policy on a house that just burned down?... "That's why you can't provide Health Insurance for people with pre-existing conditions"...
its actually a true statment

people with pre existing conditions dont need INSURANCE..they need affordable CARE...but liberals are only interested in SELLING them INSURANCE to BUY
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Old 10-15-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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no...
clinton did through his Chiefs of HUD, Henry Cisnero, and Andrew Cuomo
When the bubble started when Bush was in office in 2006?...
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Old 10-15-2010, 12:58 PM
 
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its actually a true statment

people with pre existing conditions dont need INSURANCE..they need affordable CARE...but liberals are only interested in SELLING them INSURANCE to BUY
How do they get care without insurance?...
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Old 10-15-2010, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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When the bubble started when Bush was in office in 2006?...
no the bubble BURST in 06, on bush's watch..the bubble STARTED under clinton, by clinton policy

do you understand economics AT ALL???? economic swings happen in 7-12 year swings

the housing crisus, was due to 5 things craeting a perfect storm:

clinton easing the mortgage rules in 1995
natfa (passed by a democrat controlled congress and signed by clinton)...50 million jobs lost since 1993
clinton getting china into the WTO
greenspan and bernacki lowering the prime in the 90's and 00's
and the oil price spike causing prices on everything (especially utilities) to rise


the perfect storm
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Old 10-15-2010, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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How do they get care without insurance?...
same way anyone gets care.......

go to the doctor

just when he billed you for the SERVICE PROVIDED...pay the darn bill, instead of EXPECTING someone else to pay YOUR bill

insurance is not care

you dont need insurance to get care

Last edited by workingclasshero; 10-15-2010 at 01:17 PM..
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Old 10-15-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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same way anyone get care.......

go to the doctor

just when he billed you for the SERVICE PROVIDED...pay the darn bill, instead of EXPECTING someone else to pay YOUR bill
Hmmm... According to your Mike Huckabee... a former preacher... they are uninsurable...
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