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The majority of rich white people who commit crimes commit white collar crimes as opposed to violent crimes, just like the majority of rich black people commit crimes commit white collar crimes as opposed to violent crimes. The point of the latin america example was that poverty does not = violence everywhere... its mainly an urban phenomenon that gets aggravated by our culture here in America. If you've never been outside of the US, you wouldn't know that.
You weren't talking about which one you feel safest in, you were claiming that impoverished urban black areas are crime ridden while impoverished urban white areas are not. This is besides that there aren't too many poor areas at this point which are all black all white or all latino... most are a mix.
By separating "minority culture" and "mainstream culture" you're claiming that the too are mutually exclusive. All one has to do is turn on MTV to see that this is BS.
And if you want to talk about "mincing words because you don't have an argument" you think "flagging my posts for cursing" really shows that you have two legs to stand on? If you don't like the cursing, then you could have asked at any point beforehand. Going straight to flagging = you're getting pretty desperate here.
You are acting very immaturely at this point. Maybe your 90s flava means you were born in the 90s, which means you really have no life experience to speak of, which would explain why you're not making any sense and why you need your mouth washed out with soap. How about apologizing instead of making a smart remark?
I don't care about if I've been outside of the U.S. as it has no bearing on anything, especially not relating to this discussion. But pray tell, who lives in urban areas in American?
I never once said that white ghettos are not crime infested. Any fool knows that all ghettos have more crime than the surrounding suburbs.
My city has 99% black ghettos, 99% Spanish ghettos and probably a white ghetto I haven't found yet. I've been here less than three weeks. But I can tell you I don't see any other white people on foot in those black and Spanish ghettos, and very very few driving through those areas of town. So yeah, most ghettos are predominantly confined to one race, or to people who sympathize and lead the same cultural lifestyle as that race, like the so-called wiggers.
By definition, minority culture is different than the mainstream culture.
I have asked you numerous times to stop cursing. I will have no problem flagging you for doing so from here on out. It has nothing to do with desperation, I have held my ground on this post and many others when black people refuse to stop whining about how they're the lesser race. Ya know what? How's this? If you want to whine about how you're discriminated against and how you're owed something, maybe you are a lesser race since you can't hold your own in life. Obviously you perceive something wrong with yourself and/or other blacks if you can't just say that you're not a part of the "bad blacks" and just let it go. If it has nothing to do with you, then why are you fighting tooth and nail for whites to stop believing the truth about the poor black community?
So poor people have to "blame" themselves? Why? So you can feel better about yourself?
Has anyone ever read or viewed the works of Barbara Ehrenreich? Nickle and Dimed? This Land is Their Land?
Yes, poor people have themselves to blame for not busting their butts to have a good life like the rest of us. Why is that so hard to understand? I have multiple family members on welfare, one of them just turned down a job today. Trust me, I know the real truth behind being poor.
When my grandparents arrived in this country they were called WOPS and GUINEAS. They were discriminated against in jobs, neighborhoods and school. My parents refused to allow us to speak Italian because they wanted us to be accepted. Sadly we lost part of our heritage because we were discriminated against. It didn't stop our family from succeeding and graduating college, becoming doctors and lawyers. We faced racism but we were determined to overcome the discrimination.
I have friends who are black and my DIL is Asian. So what? My black friends are engineers and a VP of a company.
Possibly black males need to work harder to get educated. There are plenty of opportunities for education, but they don't seem interested in having to do something for themselves.
Thanks for proving that your able to copy and paste my arguments and switch the words around. Great way to make yourself seem like you have a leg to stand on.
Keep reading your own comment until you find out where you did exactly that:
Do you see it?
And please point out where I said that I "have a problem with my own kind who decide to get out of the ghetto and make something of themselves". Trust me, you won't find it because I didn't.
And I looked up "mincing words" btw. Here's what came back:
"To restrain oneself in a conversation by withholding some comments or using euphemisms"
Somehow I don't think that's what you meant. Maybe you should look up what you say before you say it in the future.
EDIT:
"I have said it multiple times, poor blacks and anyone else who is poor usually can only blame themselves for their own predicament."
This is where the "USUALLY" in that sentence comes in. USUALLY, racism doesn't compound or serve to institutionalize poverty with poor Americans. However, blacks are THE EXCEPTION to this rule.
Copy and paste what? Are you talking about before when I turned things around to make you see how ridiculous your argument was? Was that even you? That was ages ago.
See what? Where I said "your own kind"? Yes, I said that on purpose. You're black, right? I was referring to blacks when I said that, so yes, that is a valid statement and I stand by it.
At this point I don't remember what I was referring to with the "your own kind" part. Do you know I've been arguing with black people about this crap for three days now? I can't remember who said what and I honestly don't care anymore. My apologies if I confused you with someone else.
Blacks are the exception to what rule? That you've been discriminated against AND are poor? See, there you go playing the blame game. Read into this a bit so you can see my point of view. You're saying blacks are poor because of white discrimination, which basically makes them more deserving of a handout from whitey than any other poor person. Again, it goes back to evil whitey. It will never end.
When my grandparents arrived in this country they were called WOPS and GUINEAS. They were discriminated against in jobs, neighborhoods and school. My parents refused to allow us to speak Italian because they wanted us to be accepted. Sadly we lost part of our heritage because we were discriminated against. It didn't stop our family from succeeding and graduating college, becoming doctors and lawyers. We faced racism but we were determined to overcome the discrimination.
I have friends who are black and my DIL is Asian. So what? My black friends are engineers and a VP of a company.
Possibly black males need to work harder to get educated. There are plenty of opportunities for education, but they don't seem interested in having to do something for themselves.
Were there laws on the books preventing your italian grandparents and/or parents from living/eating/working where they chose to? And at the end of the day, Italians were still considered white by law. Other white people might have called them "dark" but the law sure didn't.
Copy and paste what? Are you talking about before when I turned things around to make you see how ridiculous your argument was? Was that even you? That was ages ago.
See what? Where I said "your own kind"? Yes, I said that on purpose. You're black, right? I was referring to blacks when I said that, so yes, that is a valid statement and I stand by it.
At this point I don't remember what I was referring to with the "your own kind" part. Do you know I've been arguing with black people about this crap for three days now? I can't remember who said what and I honestly don't care anymore. My apologies if I confused you with someone else.
Blacks are the exception to what rule? That you've been discriminated against AND are poor? See, there you go playing the blame game. Read into this a bit so you can see my point of view. You're saying blacks are poor because of white discrimination, which basically makes them more deserving of a handout from whitey than any other poor person. Again, it goes back to evil whitey. It will never end.
You are incapable of reading.
Do poor American white people have to deal with institutionalized racism that's designed to keep them poor? NO. Do poor white people get discriminated against? YES. Do they get discriminated against even remotely to the same extent that blacks as a whole do? NO. When did I speak of handouts once? Again, this is you doing the talking... you're bringing your own prejudices into the discussion. Do you think all poor black people take handouts and are on welfare? Newsflash: NO.
And no, I'm referring to this part of the sentence:
"You have a problem with your own kind who decide to get out of the ghetto and make something of themselves."
I'll give my two cents here. i live in small town Canada and we have few blacks but many Indians(native Indians). There exists a huge racial double standard. Natives have a very open hostility and distaste towards whites, despite the fact that their lives are heavily subsidized. We give them everything! Indians have the most opportunities but they don't use them at all, and yet whites are not hostile towards them. All factors considered it's astounding they are as tolerant as they are.
My parents are both immigrants and they became successful and law-abiding citizen. My father escaped a civil war for ****'s sake! I have seen it time and time again, people (of all races) blaming some external force for their lack of success. Orientals, Middle Easterners, South Asians all persist and do well because of their will to make something better of themselves. The "man keepin' me down" is such a poor, tired excuse.
Yes, poor people have themselves to blame for not busting their butts to have a good life like the rest of us. Why is that so hard to understand? I have multiple family members on welfare, one of them just turned down a job today. Trust me, I know the real truth behind being poor.
Never heard of Ehrenreich.
Maybe you should read some history, some authors like her, and get your information from something other than Fox News, Limbaugh and Beck.
This is exactly why job discrimination exists. Why do you assume that the minority isn't as qualified as the white person? Unless the currently minority-run fortune 500 (the key word being fortune 500) are all crashing and burning, where's your proof? You just unwittingly stated the real reason why whites control a disproportionate amount of the businesses; our culture tells us that white people are more qualified simply by being white. You're not even white but you were still comfortable saying this...
I am white but also Canadian so maybe that changes things but I can tell you that in our country the one thing we have proven is that companies run exclusively by white people are not as successfull as those that have a more diverse group of leaders. (And you only have to compare Bush with Obama to know that white people are not more qualified and thus our "cultural commonsense knoweldge" is more about power than accuracy.
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