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Old 12-08-2010, 02:58 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Ron Paul is a nut (who is defending the Wikileaks betrayal
Since when is someone a nut for wanting our over reaching, inefficient Federal government out of the "running our lives" business?

Since when does following the Constitution qualify someone as a nut? You do know that is one of our founding documents?

Since when is someone a nut who correctly predicted, FROM THE BEGINNING, the housing bubble and the horrible condition our economy would be in because of the manipulation?

Since when is someone a nut for being one of the few, FROM THE BEGINNING, to know the reasons why we were attacked. He read the report Former Chief of CIA's Osama bin Laden Unit Michael Scheuer wrote discussing this. Few in Congress paid attention to it.

These were the two most important issues in the last election and you scoff at someone who nailed it???? The media and the uninformed played this game during the elections by refusing to discuss the issues and what works and instead threw around unfounded rumors.

Ron Paul gets it. I wish others did too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54WFoV-veCM
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Really? So how did all of the racist signs that the TPers were holding up during their rallies express their outrage for "taxes"
You're rehashing a failed attempt by the extreme loons on the left to paint the Tea Party as racist since they cannot discuss the failed policies their leaders have implemented. To be sure there are racists in EVERY group but to paint the tea party as a racist organization is laughable. The President and VP said the Tea Party was not. Lowering the debt and smaller government is in no way associated with racism.
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:15 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Tyranny is the oldest government in the books and is a proven failure. Quit supporting policies that rob people of their rights. The government doesn't own you OR your money. WAKE UP!!!!! lower the debt, smaller Federal government
Tyranny: 1. A government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power. 2. The office, authority, or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler.3. Absolute power, especially when exercised unjustly or cruelly: "I have sworn . . . eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" (Thomas Jefferson). 4. a. Use of absolute power. b. A tyrannical act. 5. Extreme harshness or severity; rigor.

In essence, tyranny is absolute power wielded with harshness, injustice and cruelty.

"Rob people of their rights" is incorrect.
People surrendered their inalienable rights, via consent. Until they withdraw that consent, they have no rights. (Ask the public servants when and how consent was given.)

Technically, the government DOES own its own notes (Federal Reserve notes- "dollar bills"). That is why it is a crime to destroy them without permission. Since 1933, no "lawful money" has circulated so technically no one has money, by law. And if you are a duly registered and enumerated "human resource" (via FICA), the government does have a claim upon you and your property. As a "contributor", you are equally liable for the impossible to repay public debt, and are an obligated party on those evidences of debt ("dollar bills").

Since the public debt is impossible to repay (not enough gold bullion) but cannot be questioned as to its validity (see 14th amendment, sec.4), it is useless to seek to "lower the debt". It is far more effective to cease being a surety on that debt - by leaving Socialist InSecurity.

When 51% of the American people withdraw consent, the system will implode, because of insufficient collateral underwriting the worthless "dollar bills". I would not be surprised if there was a wholesale resignation of public officers, followed shortly by mass emigration to nations that do not extradite.

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References:
U.S. Treasury - FAQs: Legal Tender Status of currency
"Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."

The Great Gold Robbery of 1933 - Thomas E. Woods, Jr. - Mises Daily
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:20 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Tyranny: 1. A government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power. 2. The office, authority, or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler.3. Absolute power, especially when exercised unjustly or cruelly: "I have sworn . . . eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" (Thomas Jefferson). 4. a. Use of absolute power. b. A tyrannical act. 5. Extreme harshness or severity; rigor.

In essence, tyranny is absolute power wielded with harshness, injustice and cruelty.

"Rob people of their rights" is incorrect.
People surrendered their inalienable rights, via consent. Until they withdraw that consent, they have no rights. (Ask the public servants when and how consent was given.)

Technically, the government DOES own its own notes (Federal Reserve notes- "dollar bills"). That is why it is a crime to destroy them without permission. Since 1933, no "lawful money" has circulated so technically no one has money, by law. And if you are a duly registered and enumerated "human resource" (via FICA), the government does have a claim upon you and your property. As a "contributor", you are equally liable for the impossible to repay public debt, and are an obligated party on those evidences of debt ("dollar bills").

Since the public debt is impossible to repay (not enough gold bullion) but cannot be questioned as to its validity (see 14th amendment, sec.4), it is useless to seek to "lower the debt". It is far more effective to cease being a surety on that debt - by leaving Socialist InSecurity.

When 51% of the American people withdraw consent, the system will implode, because of insufficient collateral underwriting the worthless "dollar bills". I would not be surprised if there was a wholesale resignation of public officers, followed shortly by mass emigration to nations that do not extradite.

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References:
U.S. Treasury - FAQs: Legal Tender Status of currency
"Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."

The Great Gold Robbery of 1933 - Thomas E. Woods, Jr. - Mises Daily
Money Reference
I enjoy your informative posts. But this statement is disingenuous.

However to say "Rob people of their rights" is incorrect.
People surrendered their inalienable rights, via consent.


People do not consent. Force is used. Don't pay taxes go to jail. In no way should that be viewed as consent. Since when does someone who is robbed, willingly give their consent to the thief?
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Old 12-08-2010, 05:17 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Hello enemy country,

Even if the tea party as a whole is racist, why would it matter? Today a "racist" person can only have opinions, there's no law in place that give a person like this any power. Are you saying that tea party groups will put "racist" people in office and those people will overturn civil rights laws? Are you saying they will advocate a return to Jim Crow, or even worse, Black slavery? I'm trying to understand why these repeated discussions and references to "tea party racism" matter at all since a "racist" person has no real power in this country. This is evident in how quickly a person must apologize or resign when they say or do anything that is considered "racist".

As a disclaimer, I'm neither Dem or Repub, so I have no agenda in this conversation. I am genuinely curious for an answer from both yourself and others who are concerned about tea party "racism".
The tea party is racist and therefore nothing the President does will ever be good in their eyes. They claim to be a grass roots and all about saving the country,when in fact its all about racial hate of a non white President. I thought when Obama was elected we as a nation had finally turned a corner. That I and my children would stand the same chance based on merit as anyone else. Then one month later the tea party showed up with all the racist signs and comments. One month into his term,"He cant lead"......."We want our country back"......."Kenya". I watched in disbelief as this group of racist took every problem we ever had and manged to lay the fault at his feet. The people were all to willing to accept it too. The media was orgasmic for these low life liars. Lead by super racist glen beck who disrespected MLK by having a racist rally on the day of his I have a dream speech.
All these things are nothing compared to the coming legislation that the tea party caucus will try. Racism is a mentality. If our representatives have a racist mentality that makes it legitimate for the average idiot in SC that gets to be a supervisor over minorities to practice that mentality.
I hope they get what they want. Many blacks are a sleep to the danger we are now in because Obama was elected,but I'm counting on the tea party to wake them up and I know they want disappoint.
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Old 12-08-2010, 05:24 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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The truth is that the mere election of Barack Obama on November 4, 2008 brought a "certain element" out of the woodwork and they unified into the Tea Party. But thank you for being truthful about the fact that the Tea Party was a direct response to the election of President Obama, had mobilized even before he had been sworn into office and was not based on his policies.
Yes! Got'em
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Old 12-08-2010, 05:29 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Sorry the bum is a one termer and has been a fool for the past 2 years, and if we don't go to war in the streets of the USA before he gets done, which I hope we don't but with poverty on the rise due to him we may revolt.

Either way he is all done. You don't have to believe it, but he is all done right now. He no longer has controll of congress, which means he is a lame duck whether or not you see it.

You remind me of a anti gunner. They whimper and whine just awful, and say the most unusal things. They pretend there is no 2nd .

You may continue with the worthless blather but don't be surprised when you are called a fool for it. You have the right to be a fool that's in the 1st.

barry will be lucky if he isn't arrested and tried for treason which is a capitol offense.
If you and your ilk arrest him and put him to death for becoming President..............
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Old 12-08-2010, 05:35 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I am not a repub, I am independant, and to the point I grow almost every bit of my own food.

I seriously doubt barry will even run in 2012. I voted for Bill Clinton the first time, but not the 2nd since he is a liar. I will never vote for barry because he is a simple fool.

Barry crashed and burned .............. again just today. Either you don't have a tv, or your head is buried in the sand.

There he is on the news stuttering err ahh umm I tried, and ahh err umm ....... don't make show you in text, turn on the bloomin tube and see the fool for yourself.

I just hope no one shoots him.

That term ilk as I was told is only used by the conservites. I didn't think that was true, but I see now I was right. Thanks for that.

We agree oddly on one thing, there is no one worthy of running in 12.
As I read more of your post I see what you want to happen to him. Well if he is there are plenty of targets you love that can get a bullet to the chest. Your no independents. Your just like 90% of the GOP on this board that claim to be independent to legitimize all the hate they spew toward Obama.
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Old 12-08-2010, 06:30 AM
 
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The tea party is racist and therefore nothing the President does will ever be good in their eyes. They claim to be a grass roots and all about saving the country,when in fact its all about racial hate of a non white President. I thought when Obama was elected we as a nation had finally turned a corner. That I and my children would stand the same chance based on merit as anyone else. Then one month later the tea party showed up with all the racist signs and comments. One month into his term,"He cant lead"......."We want our country back"......."Kenya". I watched in disbelief as this group of racist took every problem we ever had and manged to lay the fault at his feet. The people were all to willing to accept it too. The media was orgasmic for these low life liars. Lead by super racist glen beck who disrespected MLK by having a racist rally on the day of his I have a dream speech.
All these things are nothing compared to the coming legislation that the tea party caucus will try. Racism is a mentality. If our representatives have a racist mentality that makes it legitimate for the average idiot in SC that gets to be a supervisor over minorities to practice that mentality.
I hope they get what they want. Many blacks are a sleep to the danger we are now in because Obama was elected,but I'm counting on the tea party to wake them up and I know they want disappoint.
Funny, the race accusation being thrown about. When the main reason Obama was elected was race. The giddiness of being able to elect the first black president was unbelievable.

Face it - the man's a disaster. It doesn't matter at all what color his skin is. I hate Carter, and he's as white as they come.
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Old 12-08-2010, 06:42 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Funny, the race accusation being thrown about. When the main reason Obama was elected was race. The giddiness of being able to elect the first black president was unbelievable.

Face it - the man's a disaster. It doesn't matter at all what color his skin is. I hate Carter, and he's as white as they come.
Face it The tea party is racist.
Face it Obama is a great President
Face it despite all the right wing effort minorities in this country continue to do better. If it was not for self inflicted wounds the right would go crazy and just start another civil war to keep us down.
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