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Like it or not, we are going to have a real problem on our hands. Our jobs have been shipped overseas and the truth is there simply are NOT enough jobs to go around. I don't see this improving.
Some people who are over 50 have killed themselves in despair. Others in their 20s wonder how they'll ever get out from under their student loan debt or be able to find a job.
For those who don't have family or friends to fall back on, isn't is really government and business's responsibility to provide for some kind of housing? I mean, we bailed out Wall Street. Now it's their turn. What's your opinion?
If you're that concerned, you can invite them to move in with you. That would be kind and caring of you.
No, it's not the govt's job (as in MY TAX DOLLARS) to house and feed everyone in the US. That's called communism.
It's your OWN responsibility to provide for your own housing.
If you're that concerned, you can invite them to move in with you. That would be kind and caring of you.
No, it's not the govt's job (as in MY TAX DOLLARS) to house and feed everyone in the US. That's called communism.
It's your OWN responsibility to provide for your own housing.
I know of someone who did that and it did not turn out well. Sorry, I have a personal responsibility to look out for my own safety. Like I said, I give of my time and that's a lot more than most do.
When there are no jobs, just how is one to provide for housing, oh grizzly bear man? Not everyone can go out and hunt and kill and live off the land. Plus, good luck finding any land where you could actually live off of unless you want to go into the far reaches of Idaho or Montana.
Clearly. They don't get your money now, as you've admitted in another post that you pay no taxes and no social security because you are self-employed and can figure out how to have a "zero" bottom line.
What will you do when very few people need to have water wells drilled anymore, or when almost no one can afford to hire you to drill wells?
No, it isn't, but that doesn't mean they cannot at least use the FEMA camps as you mentioned. They are all over the country just sitting empty.
OK, I'll bite. Why don't we open up camps for every American that is down on their luck? But there would be conditions, because there's no such thing as a free ride, right? And since it's my money you'll be using, I think it's fair that I expect some concessions.
1. You must be take a drug and alcohol test every time you enter the camp. It's the only way to guarantee the safety and well-being of your fellow camp members.
2. Leave your luxuries at the door. No cell phones, computers, XBoxes, etc. This ain't no country club. If you can afford those things, you aren't really down and out, anyway, are you. That goes for a car, too. I'm already paying for public transportation that I don't use. You can take the bus.
3. You must agree to have your tubes tied or have a vasectomy. See #4.
4. When you get back on your feet, you will pay back the lending hand I gave you. You can pay me back with cash, or by working it off. Either way, you won't have the time and/or money for kids, so it's a good thing you were fixed. You will pay the money before you get your cut, and will do the work without complaint.
5. You will eat whatever food is put in front of you. No complaining now. Beggars can't be choosers.
6. You're out in 2 years. That's a fair amount of time to get your act together. At the end of 2 years, you will be escorted to the gate and cut loose. And the whole camp thing is a once-in-a-lifetime offer. No coming back in.
7. US citizens only. And if you're a child with illegal parents, you'll have to make a choice. Stay with them, or come in without them.
Do those conditions sound fair?
I threw in some cliches, since I know you really like them.
I know of someone who did that and it did not turn out well. Sorry, I have a personal responsibility to look out for my own safety. Like I said, I give of my time and that's a lot more than most do.
When there are no jobs, just how is one to provide for housing, oh grizzly bear man? Not everyone can go out and hunt and kill and live off the land. Plus, good luck finding any land where you could actually live off of unless you want to go into the far reaches of Idaho or Montana.
OK, I'll bite. Why don't we open up camps for every American that is down on their luck? But there would be conditions, because there's no such thing as a free ride, right? And since it's my money you'll be using, I think it's fair that I expect some concessions.
1. You must be take a drug and alcohol test every time you enter the camp. It's the only way to guarantee the safety and well-being of your fellow camp members.
2. Leave your luxuries at the door. No cell phones, computers, XBoxes, etc. This ain't no country club. If you can afford those things, you aren't really down and out, anyway, are you. That goes for a car, too. I'm already paying for public transportation that I don't use. You can take the bus.
3. You must agree to have your tubes tied or have a vasectomy. See #4.
4. When you get back on your feet, you will pay back the lending hand I gave you. You can pay me back with cash, or by working it off. Either way, you won't have the time and/or money for kids, so it's a good thing you were fixed. You will pay the money before you get your cut, and will do the work without complaint.
5. You will eat whatever food is put in front of you. No complaining now. Beggars can't be choosers.
6. You're out in 2 years. That's a fair amount of time to get your act together. At the end of 2 years, you will be escorted to the gate and cut loose. And the whole camp thing is a once-in-a-lifetime offer. No coming back in.
7. US citizens only. And if you're a child with illegal parents, you'll have to make a choice. Stay with them, or come in without them.
Do those conditions sound fair?
I threw in some cliches, since I know you really like them.
Hey, I am not saying I have the answers, which is why I am generating discussion. I just know that two older people who could not find work killed themselves and I would like to not see this become a trend. I see more people coming in to the Food Bank for food these days and of all colors. Some I am sure never thought they'd be at a food bank getting food.
Wow, you let them die instead of offering a helping hand? And I thought right wingers were heartless.
OK, I'll bite. Why don't we open up camps for every American that is down on their luck? But there would be conditions, because there's no such thing as a free ride, right? And since it's my money you'll be using, I think it's fair that I expect some concessions.
1. You must be take a drug and alcohol test every time you enter the camp. It's the only way to guarantee the safety and well-being of your fellow camp members.
2. Leave your luxuries at the door. No cell phones, computers, XBoxes, etc. This ain't no country club. If you can afford those things, you aren't really down and out, anyway, are you. That goes for a car, too. I'm already paying for public transportation that I don't use. You can take the bus.
3. You must agree to have your tubes tied or have a vasectomy. See #4.
4. When you get back on your feet, you will pay back the lending hand I gave you. You can pay me back with cash, or by working it off. Either way, you won't have the time and/or money for kids, so it's a good thing you were fixed. You will pay the money before you get your cut, and will do the work without complaint.
5. You will eat whatever food is put in front of you. No complaining now. Beggars can't be choosers.
6. You're out in 2 years. That's a fair amount of time to get your act together. At the end of 2 years, you will be escorted to the gate and cut loose. And the whole camp thing is a once-in-a-lifetime offer. No coming back in.
7. US citizens only. And if you're a child with illegal parents, you'll have to make a choice. Stay with them, or come in without them.
Do those conditions sound fair?
I threw in some cliches, since I know you really like them.
No, just pay for my ideas, please. You are quite mean.
No, but I am familiar with shelter life. It's not easy. I worked for one and volunteered for another in the past.
What I was proposing was more like housing developments, where everyone would have their own space and some privacy.
I now volunteer at another one for homeless youth. While they have rules, they can also sleep in. So all are not the same.
That is true. This was the only shelter in the area for single women. Some of the others accepted them but were considered more dangerous than your backseat. Their residental program was extrememly picky and unless you were in perfect health you could forget it. The one good thing was it was in a decent part of town.
The Fema comment was what I was thinking of. This would certainly not be a housing development and from what I see is designed to keep the undesirable out of sight and mind. Which is what the overall general result would be. Instead of the homeless being treated as invivible they would be.
Check out the Star Trek DS9 episode Past Tense for a really good exploration of what hiding the homeless can lead to. It was extrememly interesting that the LA city council had been discussing a "homeless district in a mostly abandoned part of the city for the homeless to pick a place to live while it was being filmed. That was the start in the story of what became walled ghettos when people decided they wanted to leave and others decided they shouldn't. It was voted down, but I believe the episodes were shown to the counsel. It itself is not on youtube, but there is a segment of the dvd extras discussing how the episode came about which is most interesting. This was in 1993. Imagine now...
Youth programs are extremely valuable since this is the time when you can instill something new and perhaps even a hope of something better. I'm glad you have not just quit helping after feeling you had to quit when women and babies were sent out on the street. The problem is that those who do not feel like you did stay and harden themselves and they are no longer women with babies but bodies to be managed.
Yes, people do need their own space and privacy. I don't see this being a solution for the mass, for it is just too complicated but on an emergency night by night basis something better can be done. Cots for one. Even the army supplies them at the armories. And a place to safely store one's belongings so one can go out and look without having a suitcase (dead giveaway your homeless and thus no job). And some consideration for small children.
We need to keep away from those solutions which would hide the problem because it is too big a fear for too many especially now and they will be far too tempted to just feel "safe" from it if its not a reminder out on the streets.
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