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Wow, you let them die instead of offering a helping hand? And I thought right wingers were heartless.
No kidding. Lefties want to decide who gets what and wants the greedy right wingers to pay for it. By the way, it is quite inconvenient to have to personally sacrifice to help someone down on their luck.
OK, I'll bite. Why don't we open up camps for every American that is down on their luck? But there would be conditions, because there's no such thing as a free ride, right? And since it's my money you'll be using, I think it's fair that I expect some concessions.
1. You must be take a drug and alcohol test every time you enter the camp. It's the only way to guarantee the safety and well-being of your fellow camp members.
2. Leave your luxuries at the door. No cell phones, computers, XBoxes, etc. This ain't no country club. If you can afford those things, you aren't really down and out, anyway, are you. That goes for a car, too. I'm already paying for public transportation that I don't use. You can take the bus.
3. You must agree to have your tubes tied or have a vasectomy. See #4.
4. When you get back on your feet, you will pay back the lending hand I gave you. You can pay me back with cash, or by working it off. Either way, you won't have the time and/or money for kids, so it's a good thing you were fixed. You will pay the money before you get your cut, and will do the work without complaint.
5. You will eat whatever food is put in front of you. No complaining now. Beggars can't be choosers.
6. You're out in 2 years. That's a fair amount of time to get your act together. At the end of 2 years, you will be escorted to the gate and cut loose. And the whole camp thing is a once-in-a-lifetime offer. No coming back in.
7. US citizens only. And if you're a child with illegal parents, you'll have to make a choice. Stay with them, or come in without them.
Do those conditions sound fair?
I threw in some cliches, since I know you really like them.
I'm thanking whatever deity there may be that people like you arent in charge.
Your scenario reeks of the gulag.
OK, I'll bite. Why don't we open up camps for every American that is down on their luck? But there would be conditions, because there's no such thing as a free ride, right? And since it's my money you'll be using, I think it's fair that I expect some concessions.
1. You must be take a drug and alcohol test every time you enter the camp. It's the only way to guarantee the safety and well-being of your fellow camp members.
2. Leave your luxuries at the door. No cell phones, computers, XBoxes, etc. This ain't no country club. If you can afford those things, you aren't really down and out, anyway, are you. That goes for a car, too. I'm already paying for public transportation that I don't use. You can take the bus.
3. You must agree to have your tubes tied or have a vasectomy. See #4.
4. When you get back on your feet, you will pay back the lending hand I gave you. You can pay me back with cash, or by working it off. Either way, you won't have the time and/or money for kids, so it's a good thing you were fixed. You will pay the money before you get your cut, and will do the work without complaint.
5. You will eat whatever food is put in front of you. No complaining now. Beggars can't be choosers.
6. You're out in 2 years. That's a fair amount of time to get your act together. At the end of 2 years, you will be escorted to the gate and cut loose. And the whole camp thing is a once-in-a-lifetime offer. No coming back in.
7. US citizens only. And if you're a child with illegal parents, you'll have to make a choice. Stay with them, or come in without them.
Do those conditions sound fair?
I threw in some cliches, since I know you really like them.
Best suggestions I've heard in a long time! And there is not a single unfair or unreasonable one amongst them!
kshe, yeah that looks real ugly, at the first view, but it is the reality of the situtation and more so if the USA Govt does it. The govt will add a TSA grope and a scan coming in and probably going out.
No one going in is going in very happy. It's alot better to stay out, maybe even live in the woods off the land illegally.
It's a very realistic list of what the rules would be. I could never live under any such rules myself, but I knew that 2 score and 4 years ago or something like that.
Hey, I am not the enemy. I've done my best to help the homeless even though I am not. These are clearly all complicated issues. My idea was to have people volunteer, as I do, to help the community, not necessarily always take away someone else's job. Not only are you helping the community, but you're gaining skills which can translate into an actual job. And as far as children? I believe in birth control and I don't believe in having children unless one can support them. Sure, things happen, but some people just have kids without even thinking things through. This means misery for kids who do NOT deserve it.
It is not just the homeless who are having the problems. There are people who are losing homes, for whatever reason, who cannot feed their kids. There are people who absolutely hate their jobs yet live in fear of losing them. There are the disabled and mentally ill. All in all, it's a giant mess.
Yes, its getting so much worse too. More people are getting scared and unwilling to give anything they have as well, or can't afford to.
I agree that if you can't afford kids don't have them but the great majority of the recenly poor could and now they are destitute. They didn't have kids just to have them, they want to care for them and they would if you gave them half a chance. And sometimes accidents happen.
The problem is so many of those "quick" jobs are either no longer out there or the city does them. They already have people who would no longer be working if they didn't use them. Finding stuff for people to do is not as easy as it seems.
Volunteering is great, but if an employer is looking at a resume, the skills from being a volunteer are going to matter much less than that of an employee someone picked out of a box of applications. It is already a problem with companies not willing to even look at applications of those not employed in a stable and longer term position. And technology has taken away a lot of the manual labor jobs which used to provide a few dollars here and there. Where I live, with a population of about 9k jobs are very scarce and a lot of people survive by doing salvage. But you can't do that in a city where you can't ask the farmer if you can haul off the stuff piled in the pasture.
With all the people losing homes that still haven't been kicked out and so on, this is only the beginning of the problem sadly. We never have been good at dealing with it and we are getting ever worse. I do not at the least discount the "Fema" solution if things get bad enough.
I will be checking out that book you mentioned too.
No, just pay for my ideas, please. You are quite mean.
Explain to me what is mean about my comments. Or do you think that the people in those camps that I'm paying for should sit around eating bon bons all day?
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have." --- Thomas Jefferson
And yours reeks of a socialist welfare state.
Nice quote first time to see that one.
Misty and kshe are not the enemy here. The don't understand in the way some people don't understand bambi isn't a real deer.
They mean well.
I don't understand a urban shelter and i could never deal with one. It just isn't my way of life and see post 159, which is a post explaining how that goes.
I oived homless 3 years stright for getting hurt on the job, and lost everything, family house yadda yadda.. But i took to the woods and no men and no rules.
It was on fedral land, the land that used to be my land and your land, but isn't anymore. It's illegal, but no one comes looking.
I'm thanking whatever deity there may be that people like you arent in charge.
Your scenario reeks of the gulag.
I'm not the one that brought up the "camps".
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