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Old 04-13-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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I just don't want the United States government to force tax payers to pay for it. A public option that didn't require funding from tax dollars would be great, single payer would be great if that single payer wasn't the US tax payers.

I hear a lot of people saying that conservatives like myself don't want people to have health coverage which is completely false. I want all US citizens to be healthy and have access to affordable health care, I just don't want my hard earned tax dollars to be spent on it because I work to pay for my own health insurance and that's not cheap. I'm by no means rich, I shouldn't have to subsidize people who may not even want health insurance in the first place.

Call me greedy or heartless, I don't really care because it's not the federal government's place to provide health insurance for people.
Great post. I completely agree.
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Socialized, "free" medicine means that people who would normally need to use some common sense before going to the doctor or hospital for something as simple as a cold or flu will end up inflating the waiting lists because they will see the doctor for ANYTHING that causes even minor discomfort.
You think this doesn't happen in emergency rooms all across the U.S. anyway, with its capitalist health care system?
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:41 PM
 
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Ohhhh the drama. We have more of a socialist state than even the Soviet Union did when it was around. Our safety net is killing us and all liberals can do is tell everyone to wrap themselves even tighter in that death net.
Agreed. Liberals have been slowly trying to destroy this country since it's inception.
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:51 PM
 
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I hear a lot of people saying that conservatives like myself don't want people to have health coverage which is completely false. I want all US citizens to be healthy and have access to affordable health care, I just don't want my hard earned tax dollars to be spent on it because I work to pay for my own health insurance and that's not cheap. I'm by no means rich, I shouldn't have to subsidize people who may not even want health insurance in the first place.
You already do. You just don't realize it. People with no insurance still get care at hospitals, but they can't pay for it. It's one of the reasons why your premiums are so high.
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Old 04-13-2011, 09:03 PM
 
Location: FL
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Preventive health care is much cheaper than reactive health care. It's a lot cheaper to pay for insulin shots than ER visits and long term hospitalizations. A fiscal conservative would realize this, this is why conservatives in most other countries support affordable health care.
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Old 04-13-2011, 09:12 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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You may wish to have a look at how Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands do UHC then.

nah, how about getting congress out of forcing people to buy only within the state they reside in. then people could actually shop around, instead of being stuck only buying insurance within the state they live in.


as far as UHC goes, as soon as congress made the law that people HAD to buy insurance where they lived, they made it a state issue and not a federal issue.
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Old 04-13-2011, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Reality
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You already do. You just don't realize it. People with no insurance still get care at hospitals, but they can't pay for it. It's one of the reasons why your premiums are so high.
I do realize it, I'm also for cracking down hard on illegal immigration which makes up a large majority of the non-paying ER visitors in our area hospitals.
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Old 04-13-2011, 09:26 PM
 
Location: FL
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And what I personally experienced and witnessed in the UK health system are FACTS! I would love to have the time to scan and upload the full reports on the criminally negligent dental care I received. I would also love to be able to FULLY describe to you what happened to me in their hosptials, not once, not twice, not three, but FOUR times, all different medical emergencies, but it is still very traumatising. Two of those incidents nearly killed me. My son nearly died under their hospital care and also now has permanent damage to his foot, where nearly every bone was broken and then badly healed, because they "didn't see" the broken bones in an x-ray. Until you lived what I did, don't accuse me of making anecdotal rants. You aren't the American doctors and dentists who now have to work with me and deal with the emotional and mental trauma a simple teeth cleaning or shot can cause!

Folks, look it up for yourselves. There IS a post code lottery in the UK when it comes to certain treatments. Also look at the high incidence of women under age 40 dying from breast cancer. As I've explained to others, and my BRITISH husband will back me up on this...the British, who constantly complain about the poor health care system, will, when critisized by Americans, become very defensive and do a flip flop, declaring that their system is the best in the world.
Do you really think that doctors and dentist don't screw up here no matter what you pay for health insurance. It happens here also but it just cost us more.
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Old 04-13-2011, 09:54 PM
 
Location: AL
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Want healthcare for Americans......Kick out all the damn illegals which cost this country an est. 150-500 billion a yr..Heck it cost L.A. county alone I believe 500 million in 2010.........PROBLEM SOLVED!
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Old 04-13-2011, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Yep, and all of us in the pool have to pay. Now a large number of people in the US pay no taxes at all, if UHC is government-provided healthcare how will the govenrment pay for the people who don't contribute?
So there are 3 possibilities

1) You pay in more money than you get out of the system. You are paying for someone who didn't contribute fully for their own healthcare.

2) You pay in less money than you get out of the system. Some is paying for you since you didn't fully contribute for your own healthcare.

3) You pay in the exact amount that you get out of the system. There is no reason for you to have insurance since you could have just paid for the care directly.
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