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Old 08-31-2011, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Having used both the American Insurance based health System and the UK Govt funded system i can tell you from first hand experience that the health care in the USA is [b]FAR more restrictive [/B]((((because of the USA GOVERNMENT)))) than the (EUROPEAN)Govt funded System..... That is a fact and it comes from someone who has used both systems NOT from someone who reads it in a paper or gets it from a right wing media source... but hey i suppose Ignorance is Bliss for you......
the problem is you are not seeing the forest through the trees
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:12 PM
 
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Having used both the American Insurance based health System and the UK Govt funded system i can tell you from first hand experience that the health care in the USA is FAR more restrictive than the Govt funded System..... That is a fact and it comes from someone who has used both systems NOT from someone who reads it in a paper or gets it from a right wing media source... but hey i suppose "Ignorance is Bliss" for you......
I have private health care insurance in America and I have never had a problem.

Sure, co-pays have risen over time, but who ever came up with the idea that health care should be free?

I don't mind paying $35 to see a specialist or $25 to see my family Physician.

If the co-pay becomes greater than the visit costs, I'll pay out of pocket.

There is no "free".
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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It's called "Natural Selection", you got the money, you live. Simple.
It's called providing for yourself.

I've said it before bob, you and your ilk are free to start a fund to pay for the uninsured.

Leave me out.

I'll take care of me and mine.

But people like me are looked at as "greedy" and "selfish" instead of looking at the recipient class as "lazy" and "greedy".
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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It's called providing for yourself.

I've said it before bob, you and your ilk are free to start a fund to pay for the uninsured.

Leave me out.

I'll take care of me and mine.

But people like me are looked at as "greedy" and "selfish" instead of looking at the recipient class as "lazy" and "greedy".
Naw, mostly looked at as non members of society.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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I have private health care insurance in America and I have never had a problem.

Sure, co-pays have risen over time, but who ever came up with the idea that health care should be free?

I don't mind paying $35 to see a specialist or $25 to see my family Physician.

If the co-pay becomes greater than the visit costs, I'll pay out of pocket.

There is no "free".
That's all well and good if you're lucky enough to be healthy. What if someone is born with a chronic medical issue that requires medication/care? What if the cost out of pocket is far higher than any average person could afford? If I only had to see a physician once a year, I'd be pretty content with our system too... But imagine driving 8 hours to see a specialist that your private insurance company is forcing you to see, then watching them google your disorder while you're in the exam room. This has happened to me 4 times. There's a specialist that will see me who is 45 minutes away but isn't covered by my insurance. Sure, I could pay the $250 he charges for a half hour appt., but my insurance company told me they won't cover anything he recommends, so why bother? 2 years later and I have a cardiologist trying to treat my enzyme disorder. This is the truth of private insurance.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:24 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Having used both the American Insurance based health System and the UK Govt funded system i can tell you from first hand experience that the health care in the USA is FAR more restrictive than the Govt funded System..... That is a fact and it comes from someone who has used both systems NOT from someone who reads it in a paper or gets it from a right wing media source... but hey i suppose "Ignorance is Bliss" for you......
This is what i posted alphamale...Not the version with YOUR insertions... Damn you are desperate!
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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Unfortunately because of the structure of the health system in the USA, the Govt funded systems ( medicare/aid, VA) are band aids TRYING to heal a huge trauma. If a UHC was in place here there would be NO need for mediacre/aid or VA....Everyone would get good treatment from the UHC.
Geeoro, one thing to think about is the issue with the States. Keep in mind the US contains 50 sovereign States. This would make the revamping of the US healthcare delivery system a bit more tricky than most other nations I believe. One can conclude that it should be left to the 50 states to come up with their plan to overhaul HC. However, if that happens, and has to a very small degree, the function of the federal government then comes into play in which a lot of animosity derives from. Many Americans do not trust the fed to do the correct thing. I think many people forget about the State they live in and focus too much on the fed instead. At one time in America citizens were more devoted to their state and had little regard for the fed. This was especially true during and before the American Civil War. This sounds a little off topic but in away it's not. Another words the US really is separate, not united as one would think pertaining to borders and politics. This is a good thing but does have big drawbacks and this topic is one example.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:30 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I believe the answer is in complete reform of the American health system by using the BEST ideas from all over the World.
Cannot understand why some are clinging on for dear life to a health system in the USA that is mega expensive, fails MILLIONS of Americans and is responsible for thousands of deaths every year in the USA, was and possibly still is, the number one reason for personal bankruptcy and home loss and is partly reponsible for America's economic problems.
Maybe the push against a decent health system here is based on Fear of the unknoown or Corruption at the top or even greed and "Elitism" but todays health system is definately "Bad Medicine" for Millions here.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:35 PM
 
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I believe the answer is in complete reform of the American health system by using the BEST ideas from all over the World.
Cannot understand why some are clinging on for dear life to a health system in the USA that is mega expensive, fails MILLIONS of Americans and is responsible for thousands of deaths every year in the USA, was and possibly still is, the number one reason for personal bankruptcy and home loss and is partly reponsible for America's economic problems.
Maybe the push against a decent health system here is based on Fear of the unknoown or Corruption at the top or even greed and "Elitism" but todays health system is definately "Bad Medicine" for Millions here.
No thanks.

The best solution is to remove government involvement and allow freedom and competition determine the cost and quality to which the individual makes educated decisions on.

The rest of the "world" can take their ideas and shove them straight up their arse.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:39 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Geeoro, one thing to think about is the issue with the States. Keep in mind the US contains 50 sovereign States. This would make the revamping of the US healthcare delivery system a bit more tricky than most other nations I believe. One can conclude that it should be left to the 50 states to come up with their plan to overhaul HC. However, if that happens, and has to a very small degree, the function of the federal government then comes into play in which a lot of animosity derives from. Many Americans do not trust the fed to do the correct thing. I think many people forget about the State they live in and focus too much on the fed instead. At one time in America citizens were more devoted to their state and had little regard for the fed. This was especially true during and before the American Civil War. This sounds a little off topic but in away it's not. Another words the US really is separate, not united as one would think pertaining to borders and politics. This is a good thing but does have big drawbacks and this topic is one example.
I agree to a point jm but other huge Countries with differing states now have succesful UHC's even though they put up all the same arguments as some in the USA. Australia fought tooth and nail to stop a NHS but now have a really good system.
Maybe the way forward is to have a Govt funded UHC System that will bring consistancy and safeguards to the American Health System but each state has medical professionals running their system in tune to State needs. You would be able to use the system no matter where you move to in the USA. In the UK the system is divided up into local health authorities who taper their systems to the needs of their community..eg..one area may have many older citizens while another may have many younger families.
America should look at the best choices and the worst and use the best and disgard the worst to give America a economical, good for all health system.
Let's make the AMERICAN HEALTH SYSTEM the BEST in the world and not one that is now sliding fast down the World Health Organisations rankings.
Good health means good production and it means a healthier America both in health and economy plus the millions of jobs created by building a UHC could virtually wipe out unemployment here.
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