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Old 09-14-2011, 05:55 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Originally Posted by ringwise View Post
And if you think I'd rely on my corrupt, incompetent and bloated government to give me that help, you are WRONG.

Please show me one thing they've done that is for the good. Not for the corrupt, or the politicians, or the unions or the bureaucrats. For the people.
If you don't know, maybe you should leave your cave and asked the victims of the last storm that hit the east coast, how about granny that is living on nothing but social security, or that vet that came home after losing his home and was given shelter and medical care. The government is not perfect but having it totally dismantled by the clueless is only going to make the problem worst. What I don't understand is that you are complaining about corruption but yet you follow the most morally corrupt and inept organizations in Washington

 
Old 09-14-2011, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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You can't prove a negative, genius.
ROFL....apparently you can't prove me wrong....... except for using "one liners"........from grade school.
 
Old 09-14-2011, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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What amazes me that the number of incredibly stupid poor/middleclass whites jumped on the tea bagger bandwagon which goes against their best interest. It's like a group of vampires selling crucifixes in the daylight
ROFL........Not how I would have phrased it; but true none the less! .
 
Old 09-14-2011, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Whats funny is TP started as good idea-people angry at govt.

NOW however, its been hijacked by billionaires, and is a vehicle for the Bank of England and GLOBALISM.

Kepp your friends close but your enemies closer
~ Machiavelli

The poor masses are the enemy of billionaires, they coddle them to manipulate them.....
I think we all need to read Machiavelli's: THE PRINCE again.....I believe the Tea Party is using some of his suggestions.

Niccolò Machiavelli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Prince - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 09-14-2011, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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You lost me and the majority of readers the second you started saying this or that was unbiblical. This nation is not governed based on the Bible and never will be, something as a Christian, I agree with.
Casper
He "lost me" in May 2009. .
 
Old 09-15-2011, 10:53 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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ROFL........Not how I would have phrased it; but true none the less! .
I'm sorry if I offended you or any other rational thinking person, but excessive stupidity drives me crazy
 
Old 09-15-2011, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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yep new world order....brzezinski the mentor..the mentories....carter, bush1, clinton, bush2, obama...all PROGRESSIVES

THE TEN STEPS OF KARL MARX (With my comments interspersed). Taken from the Communist Manifesto

1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

We already have this in America. Through property taxes we have been made serfs on our own land. Through tyrannical zoning laws, wetlands regulations, EPA regulations, etc., we no longer control our lands. Our once strong private property rights have been abolished through regulatory oppression, bureaucratic tyranny and unbiblical types of taxation.

2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

We already have this in America. The higher your income, the higher the tax bracket you are placed in for purposes of calculating your tax bill. The constitution teaches us the principle of equality...(like you would get from the Flat Tax ). Why do liberals pretend to want to tax the wealthy more? Because it advances their program for fomenting class envy and class warfare. Divide and conquer, that is the strategy of the evil communist liberals who are wrecking America with ever higher taxes and increasingly bigger government.

3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.

We already have this in America. The inheritance taxes are astronomically high and this is just plain wrongl. Liberals want to destroy the family because strong families do not need socialism or government give away programs. Liberals want to destroy the ability of strong families to perpetuate the influence of their progeny by stealing half of their net worth through the imposition of confiscatory inheritance tax rates.

4) Confiscation of the property of emigrants and rebels.

We already have this in America. You have heard about "FORFEITURE LAWS." Many branches of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies and regulatory agencies are confiscating property, goods and money without a trial, without due process, etc. This is a perfect tool for the tyrant bureaucrat who wants to make your life hell. If you are not "Politically Correct" liberals will use these laws to harass you and confiscate your property.

5) Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We already have this in America. It is called the Federal Reserve Bank. This is the single most evil, deadly and damaging of the 10 Planks of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. The counterfeit paper debt based monetary scheme that we now suffer is going to destroy our Republic, our liberty and our economy. The Federal Reserve System is an exclusive monopoly. The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the Federal Government and it does not have any reserves of Gold or Silver coin backing their "Federal Reserve Notes." Federal Reserve Notes are counterfeit Money, fiat money. The Federal Reserve controls our economy through it's monopolistic control of interest rates. We have a 20 Trillion Dollar Debt pyramid in this nation and one day it is all going to come crashing down. When it does crash, the bankers who gave us nothing more than paper money will repossess and confiscate nearly every home, business, farm, vehicle and all property in America that has a mortgage or outstanding balance on it. On that day you should take you gun out and kill as many communist liberals as you can find.

6) Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to exercise complete control over the media via the FCC and monopolistic media mogul billionaires. At this time they control 90 to 95% of the media that the masses turn to for information. But the free press has proved more resilient than our enemies planned and the Internet is really upsetting their apple-cart. As for their efforts to centralize transportation, liberals are very anxious to force us all to use state run mass transit trains, subways and car pooling schemes. Thus we can see how the enemies of liberty have very nearly achieved their goal of fully implementing the sixth plank of the communist manifesto.

7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to force central planning on farmers. They have been very successful through the use farm subsidies and regulations at destroying the small independent family owned farm. Today instead of family farms our nations food supply is produced and controlled by huge corporations and this is called "agri-business." This destruction of the family owned farms was not an accident of history, rather it was done by design. American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to force central planning on the manufacturing sector. By imposing millions of regulations on every minute aspect of business, they have either driven the small independent factories out of business or forced them to sell out to one of the large multi-national mega-corporations. Only the large corporations have the capability, the man-power to research and obey all of the millions of federal regulations. This destruction of the family owned factories was not an accident of history, rather it was done by design. Again we can see how the enemies of liberty have very nearly achieved their goal of fully implementing the seventh plank of the communist manifesto.

8) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to pass federal legislation to implement the goals of this Plank of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. So called "industrial armies" in modern parlance are known as Unions. The collection by "force" of Union Dues, from the employees who are subject to Forced Unionism, has been devastating to the political process in America. Every Union without exception supports left wing candidates with both money and man-power. As to the concept of equal pay for all workers regardless of skill or productivity, this plank of the communist manifesto has been implemented both in Union shops and via the minimum wage. But the minimum wage law violates the rights of private parties to contract without interference and is another example of the numerous ways that liberals have worked to implement Marxism in our nation.

9) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

This is Social Engineering. This, for example, is telling people where to live and telling farmers and businessmen by dint of government regulations and central planning how to run their business! Yes we have plenty of Social Engineering in America. Yes our nation has been severely damaged by leftists who have been very successful at implementing to a greater or lesser degree all ten planks of the Communist Manifesto, but it is not yet absolute or irreversible.

10) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

Yes we have this in America. In my opinion this Plank of the Communist Manifesto ranks second place for the evil it has done to our nation. Our lousy, government run, Public School and Public University system costs three to four times more than it should and yet they do a poor job of educating the children. Now the Federal government is trying to take over public education in America. The Fed's are proposing through their Goals 2000 program, another program that is right out of the communist manifesto. It is called the "Schools to work program." But the worst aspect of government schools is that they are actively promoting and indoctrinating our children in the ideas of Marxism, big government, central planning, government run education, fiat currency or paper money, environmental extremism, forced unionism, and socialism in general.


Here is the total:

1. This goal has been fully implemented.
2.This goal has been fully implemented.
3.This goal is only partially implemented.
4.This goal has been fully implemented.
5.This goal has been fully implemented.
6.This goal is only partially implemented.
7.This goal is only partially implemented.
8.This goal is only partially implemented.
9.This goal is only partially implemented.
10. This goal has been fully implemented.



The foundation of fascism in part came from the progressive movement especially economically. Fascism is about bringing all within the State, nothing without the state. Its statism/collectivism. Also known as the religion of the state which is obvously similar to that of progressivism.
Just this morning I was arguing with liberals about National Monuments. It appears to be more of number 1 above to me. They claim National Monuments create jobs.
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Now some House Republicans, saying the 105-year-old law has been misused, have introduced bills to limit or block the president's ability to make such designations without approval from Congress.
GOP Rep. Denny Rehberg of Montana compared the 1906 Antiquities Act to the mythical sword of Damocles, calling it a weapon that can be used against rural communities at any time without warning.
Residents of Montana and other Western states "must cope with the constant knowledge that, one day, we could wake up to find that with the stroke of a pen, the president declared their back yard a national monument," Rehberg said Tuesday.
Daily Journal - Western lawmakers rail against new national monuments on public lands
 
Old 09-15-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Reality
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ROFL....apparently you can't prove me wrong....... except for using "one liners"........from grade school.
"You can't prove a negative" isn't a one liner, it's a simple fact.
 
Old 09-15-2011, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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As for the Koch brothers financing the Tea Party's, how much does it cost to announce a rally, or bus some people to and from? Their costs are minimal and don't need financing. They can't be bought!

This article breaks down the influence of the Koch brothers vs Soros, who outspends them in many categories. They are simply 2 influences on opposite sides of the spectrum, one promotes liberty and individualism, the other liberal, progressive, social-engineering.

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The Kochs and Soros have also funded think tanks, foundations and political organizations -- money that is sometimes notoriously difficult to track.

These individuals aren’t exactly flying under the radar as the Kochs hold leadership positions and are featured on the websites for the Cato Institute, Reason Foundation and the Mercatus Center among others. Soros also runs the Open Society Institute -- website Soros.org -- as well as the recently created Institute for New Economic Thinking.

Still these individuals have provided major funding to groups that aren't particularly transparent, such as Soros-backed Democracy Alliance, which doesn't provide information on the projects it funds.

David Koch's Americans for Prosperity Foundation has a more detailed website, but it is unclear why Koch is seemingly uninvolved in the similar organization, Americans for Prosperity. David Koch contends that no Koch foundations have provided funding to Americans for Prosperity, the citizen advocacy group organizing Tea Party events around the country. A Washington Post article from January of this year connects the Kochs with the Tea Party movement, citing records of their foundation giving $3.1 million to Americans for Prosperity, but according to the Kochs, this is false, as the money only went to the Americans for Prosperity Foundation.
Capital Rivals: Koch Brothers vs. George Soros - OpenSecrets Blog | OpenSecrets
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