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If they were not so one-sided (like the republicans don't have financial issues), the debt cannot be lowered JUST on the backs of the poor, the republicans are the ones that actually INCREASED the gov control with the patriot act
and Obama signed an extension of it....so yeah he owns it now...but I am sure you knew that...
as for this thread...the amount of ignorance, spin, half-truths, lies and out-right stupidity that comes from the left is becoming more disturbing everyday....
a loose organization with no official leadership or elected heads that was considered "irrelevant" and "powerless" and "unimportant" a few months ago is now considered a threat greater then communism.....
the gross idiocy of this isn't what disturbs me....its to be expected of the left....but the embracing it, not recognizing it and considering themselves "enlighten" for it, is what disturbs me....to listen to the most disingenuous, incompetent people prance around as if they are smartest people in the world is what scares me..
The Tea Party: The Exposed Republican Base And The "New" Republican Party.
liberals...fascists..globalist...progressives
""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini
Mussolini was the son of a blacksmith and village school teacher who had been a Socialist party leader and radical newspaper editor before the war.
As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.
He also created fascist labor unions, and therefore He controlled labor
marxism, socialism, communism, fascism, progressivism, liberalism...all part of the same family
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners by way of UNIONS. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically through unions. State ministries or unions, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
Zbigniew Brzezinski advisor to carter, bush1, clinton, cheney and obama.....""This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"""
Corporatism aka fascism owing to the corporatist structures created by Mussolini's regime as well as in the latter years of the Third Reich under Albert Speer's direction. Corporatism was viewed by some as an appropriate strategy to prevent worker unrest, as well as a potentially and effective economic strategy. Franklin D. Roosevelt was one such proponent. While Roosevelt was not dictator- he declared a loathing for authoritarianism - his liberal corporatism was part of his vision for a "third way", reflected in the New Deal.
The events of the Great Depression resulted in an international surge of fascism and the creation of multiple fascist regimes and regimes that adopted fascist policies. The most important new fascist regime was Nazi Germany (National Socialists), under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. With the rise of Hitler and the Nazis to power in 1933, and the Nazis mobilized the country for war, with expansionist territorial aims against multiple countries.
During the Great Depression, Mussolini promoted active state intervention in the economy. He denounced the contemporary "supercapitalism" that he claimed began in 1914 as a failure due to its alleged decadence, support for unlimited consumerism and intention to create the "standardization of humankind". However, Mussolini claimed that the industrial developments of earlier "heroic capitalism" were valuable and continued to support private property as long as it was productive. With the onset of the Great Depression, Fascist Italy began large-scale state intervention into the economy, establishing the Institute for Industrial Reconstruction (Istituto per la Ricostruzione Industriale, IRI), a giant state-owned firm and holding company that provided state funding to failing private enterprises. The IRI was made a permanent institution in Fascist Italy in 1937, pursued Fascist policies to create national autarky, and had the power to take over private firms to maximize war production. Nazi Germany similarly pursued an economic agenda with the aims of autarky and rearmament and imposed protectionist policies, including forcing the German steel industry to use lower-quality German iron ore rather than superior-quality imported iron.
Fascists opposed the laissez-faire economic policies that were dominant in the era prior to the Great Depression. After the Great Depression began, many people from across the political spectrum blamed laissez-faire capitalism, and fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and communism.
Fascists declared their opposition to finance capitalism, interest charging, and profiteering. Nazis and other anti-Semitic fascists considered finance capitalism a "parasitic" "Jewish conspiracy". Fascist governments introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of economic interventionist measures.
Benito Mussolini promised a "social revolution" that would "remake" the Italian people. According to Patricia Knight, this was only achieved in part. The people who primarily benefited from Italian fascist social policies were members of the midde and lower-middle classes, who filled jobs in the vastly expanded government workforce, which grew from about 500,000 to 1,000,000 jobs in 1930 alone. Health and welfare spending grew dramatically under Italian fascism, with welfare rising from 7% of the budget in 1930 to 20% in 1940
ever heard of the socialist Fabian Society...the beginning of the liberal reforms..ie the progressives.....
ever heard of HG wells.. a member of the Fabian society
During the 1930s H.G. Wells's theory of revolutionary praxis centred around a concept of ‘liberal fascism’ whereby the Wellsian ‘liberal’ utopia would be achieved by an authoritarian élite. Taking inspiration from the militarized political movements of the 1930s, this marked a development in the Wellsian theory of revolution from the ‘open conspiracy’ of the 1920s. in fact The term “liberal fascism” comes from a speech made by author H. G. Wells when he told a group of Young Liberals at Oxford that Progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.”
fascism has a long history in American politics, spanning back to Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. You can even finds fascist tendencies within the presidencies of John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson and Bill Clinton as each tried to create an “all-caring, all-powerful, all-encompassing” state. And you can see more recent signs of fascist ideology in the economic ideas of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore, and Barrack Obama
Joseph Stalin, the General Secretary of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union, found it beneficial to label all ideas which he did not agree with as fascist; this included socialists who were disloyal to Moscow and, of course, the political right. Those loyal to his social doctrine also began to see communism and fascism on opposite ends when, yet, both are in fact socialist in nature.
Liberal's type of Fascism is different from the original fascism of the past because today’s left are pacifists rather than militarists; their plan is to nanny, not to bully. Still, this method can be just as politically hazardous.
“Simply because the nanny state wants to hug you doesn’t mean it’s not tyrannical when you don’t want to be hugged,”
hiltler and stalin were DICTATORS much like hugo chavez....
but the NASI's were the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party) and they are very close to the MODERN liberal
the FACT is HISTORY has shown us what happens when you turn a blind eye.
simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations,,,.. nationalization of all trusts(banks),,...,social security,,,.... eminate domain(agrarian reform)..... , removing the guns from the people,,,.... demand the end of capitolism,,,.... state(country) provided education,,,,..... blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),....... 'fairness doctrine"( censorship of talk radio),,,,,..... redistribution of wealth.......univeral health care.......welfare........pro-union........COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD .........
DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THE ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG, AND thinkprogress..................
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THEY ARE ALSO A LARGE PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS.....hitler was the candidate of 'hope and change'
the "salesman" of hitler, like any politician (right or left) may say or sell one thing, but what it TURNS OUT to be could be different
our own system has plenty of examples of 'good/nice' ideas...but poor plans or follow thru
example 1993 Nafta will create jobs.....nope it cost 40 million jobs over the last 17 years
1995 revamping and easing the CRA will allow more people to own homes......it did in the short term...but it also created a bubble were prices (ie values) increase dramaticly, that most middleclass are now priced(and the corrosponding taxes that go with it) out of thier homes. to a housing bust that brought everything else down
hilter was in the beginning the candidate of hope and change..to bring "the marxist/socialist' "nicities" to the country..like his antismokeing,,national health care///wealth distrobution.....the problem,, hilter was a pyscopath and his vision of UTOPIA turned into a dictatorship from hades
most AMERICAN liberals dont see( or dont want to admit) that their overregulation, and limiting of freedoms is exactly the description of fascism
The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them." Lennin
"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul alinsky
Well, I really understand why the tea baggers stand for...The koch brothers! They admittly are out for themselves, destroying the air by deregulation. Their interest in surrounded by their own greed by lowering personal and corporate taxes although they are two of the riches men in America. They want to stay that way by keeping the poor even poorer by cutting social services even more.
Ironically the tea bagger bowel movement are so stupid (and paid for) they either don't realize it or are just getting all of the money that they can from these low lifes.
As for the real Tea Partiers, as I have said before YOU NEED TO PURGE YOURSELVES FROM THESE IMPOSTERS! If you really want to be taken seriously this needs to be done!
Real Republicans need to purge themselves also! But then again if this is what you desire you party to be you all need to be removed from ALL political offices!
Founded: 1927 by Fred C. Koch, Charles' father
Founder Fred Koch died in 1967, and Charles G. Koch took over the Wichita, Kan., conglomerate at age 33. With the help of his brother David, he built the company into an industrial giant, with interests in minerals, chemicals, fertilizers and oil.
Last year, Jane Mayer profiled the billionaire brothers in the New Yorker, detailing what she characterized as covert efforts to "destroy progressivism" in the United States and abet the Tea Party's rise.
and Obama signed an extension of it....so yeah he owns it now...but I am sure you knew that...
as for this thread...the amount of ignorance, spin, half-truths, lies and out-right stupidity that comes from the left is becoming more disturbing everyday....
a loose organization with no official leadership or elected heads that was considered "irrelevant" and "powerless" and "unimportant" a few months ago is now considered a threat greater then communism.....
the gross idiocy of this isn't what disturbs me....its to be expected of the left....but the embracing it, not recognizing it and considering themselves "enlighten" for it, is what disturbs me....to listen to the most disingenuous, incompetent people prance around as if they are smartest people in the world is what scares me..
I'm not a great fan of the President, but considering what he is up against, stupidity, racism and worst of all the Koch brothers it is no wonder that he has caved on so many of his plans. Sadly, there are very few people that can articulate fairly the reason that they have a probelm with him without spewing quotes from the fools at faux or brainwashed with the money generated lies from the Koch brothers
Our 2-party political system keeps us on opposite sides of the fence...It keeps us split right down the middle and at each other's "throats."...Elections are like "sport's games" today with each side trying to be the "winning team." And the "winner" wants to "take all" and "rule all" and be in complete control...Each side wants to "force their will" on the other "half."...We can't go forward as a nation and solve our problems if we're stuck in silly and childish "tug of wars!"...Most parents tell their kids that they have to learn how to share and compromise and "get along" with their brothers and sisters and friends. This is all part of the socialization process when we are growing up. But yet so many adults feel entitled to behave and act like little kids today when it comes to politics and some of their other beliefs...The notion of "being in it together" and compromising is such a "no-no" and foreign concept today. Taking time to listen...Looking at "all sides" to each issue seems like a stupid thing to do. Nobody wants to risk "handing amunition" over to the other side. It's a "me, me, me" and "my way or the highway" or "my way or else" type of world today! And this is sad! And tragic and dangerous!...We've become "cannibals" bent on having and "winning" our own "way" at all costs! And this is what makes us "easy prey" for corrupt politicians who have a vested interest in keeping us "divided." We become "pawns" and "putty" in their "hands."
I pretty much agree with your statements and keep in mind our system has us in a "perpetual get elected again" mode.......further dividing the populace and assuring that the Congress never actually accomplishes very much to move the country forward.
Thanks for your post. I agree with all you wrote. And I try to stay away from extremists on both sides due to all of their hate and discontent and partisan "blame games."...None of it is healthy or mature. And it won't lead to solving our problems as a nation in level-headed ways....I know these are "bad times" for many Americans and the future doesn't "look bright" right now. But I don't want to get stuck in anger or hate and blame and let my emotions "rule all" and "cloud" my thinking and reasoning abilities...I don't want to be shuffled into an "angry lynch mob" that encourages me to go on a "hunting spree" for "targets" and scapegoats" to hate and blame! This isn't the "American way" as far as I'm concerned....Like you I have tried to look at "many sides" through the years and learned a lot. Everyone has their own side and point of view about each issue. And I think it's smart to consider all sides versus getting stuck in narrow-minded thinking.
While I agree........it's a different story when you are the one continually attacked and demonized by politicians and Tea Partiers.......ask any gay person or other demonized minority...even teachers, policemen, firefighters, nurses, union workers.....
I had enough myself....so I composed this thread to try and expose some truths about what is happening to and in our country.
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you are spewing nonsense, they don't even have a leader, it's an ideology reclaiming our freedoms from an oppressive gov't. They simply have love of country in common. Perhaps that's why you declare them your enemy. We've had enough of this thing you call 'hope n change', social justice, unequal rights, radical environmentalism and rampant corruption on both sides. Tea Party is here to stay until we reverse this trend.
That's what the Germans thought when Hitler came to power.
I declare them an "enemy" because of their stance on and attacks on gays and other minorities...unions...labor....intellectuals....ac ademia....science......the EPA......the Fed.....the Department of Education....FEMA......immigrants.....all Muslims.....on and on.....ad nauseum......facts are facts.
Where did I say anything about what Obama said.......you are spewing nonsense; not me....I state FACTS....I did not even vote for Obama!
Most of that is hogwash, but you got the against Obama right.
Quoting DailyKos kinda ruins any credability you may have thought you had.
PROVE me wrong...and GOOD LUCK.......you're going to need it.....show your fellow posters where the Tea Party and/or it's candidates have not advocated any of these tenents.
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