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Old 10-17-2011, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I do not see where the separation of Church and State would force any individual representative to vote for or against their religious beliefs. A Catholic elected to Congress can vote according to his beliefs just as a Mammon worshiping greedster. The government cannot tell either of these Representatives what to believe or how they vote. Only the people that they represent can do that.

Why do some groups always see the separation of Religion and government as repressive and/or evil? Government is the realm of money and power. Religion is the realm of faith.

I read somewhere that a famous man said, “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s. Render unto God that which is God’s.” I interpret that as saying Never mix money with Faith. They corrupt each other.
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:56 AM
 
Location: MichOhioigan
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Politicians vote how they promised they would. They follow the views they expressed in their campaign.
LOL! Yes, we all know that politicians keep their promises and are true to their campaign persona.
Wow. Where can I find this kind of politician?
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Old 10-17-2011, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We had one in New Hampshire, Ms. Caroll Shea-Porter but the TEA PARTY MANAGED TO REPLACE HER WITH AN IDIOT THAT WOULD BE CORRUPT IF HE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.
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Old 10-17-2011, 07:37 AM
 
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Love love love these Constitutional debates instigated by "religious scholars" who have as much formal legal training as my dog (who actually has the benefit of being able to nap next to a bookcase with real life law textbooks)


These issues are hashed out through decades upon decades of cases brought to the highest courts of the land, volumes of case law, supreme court decisions, debates between great legal minds.... and yet on City-Data, every yokel with Wikipedia thinks he's a Supreme Court Justice.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:39 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Theophane, religious beliefs are not germane to whether anyone merits this privelege. Priveleges by definition, are kindnesses bestowed, but not earned on merit.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Seeing as I believe organized religion as being the world's largest Ponzi scheme, I believe they should be paying taxes. Considering how they pretty much tell people how to vote in elections, for one reason. What do you think?
fine then all other 'non-profit' organizations should pay taxes too

aflcio
naacp
unions
media-maters
moveon.org
dnc
rnc
masons
scouts
save the whales
etc

all should pay taxes too
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Absolutely as all 501(c)(3) organizes are under the same rules as each other. I repost something I posted in another thread as it is relevant to this discussion.

The issue is not one of separation of church and state per se. It is a matter of federal tax code.

The only thing houses of worship may not do is endorse or oppose candidates for public office or use their resources in partisan campaigns. This restriction, which is found in federal tax law, is not limited to churches and other religious ministries. In fact, it is applied to every non-profit organization in the country that holds a tax exemption under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.

Contrary to the claims of many in the Religious Right, the IRS is not singling out houses of worship for special regulation. Thousands of educational, scientific, charitable and literary organizations hold the 501(c)(3) status, and all must abide by the legal requirement barring involvement in elections.

Why does this rule exist? The answer is obvious: Non-profit organizations receive tax exemption because their work is charitable, educational or religious. That tax benefit comes with conditions. One requirement is that tax-exempt organizations refrain from involvement in partisan politics. This is a reasonable rule, since tax-exempt groups are supposed to work for the public good, not spend their time and money trying to elect or defeat candidates.

This regulation is also designed to protect the integrity of the election process. Special types of organizations already exist to help political hopefuls win public office. Those groups, such as Political Action Committees, have a different tax status and are organized under a different set of rules than 501(c)(3) groups, rules designed to ensure that the nation's campaign-finance laws are followed. Blurring the distinction between these two types of organizations would harm both religion and politics.

The interesting thing about all this is that certain religious institutions have blatently ignore these stipulations...especially the Pat Robertson's and James Dobsons of the world. They should have had their 501(c)(3) status revoked YEARS ago.
its not just the (c)(3)'s

According to the IRS Publication 557, in the Organization Reference Chart section, the following is an exact list of 501(c) organization types and their corresponding descriptions.[1]

501(c)(1) — Corporations Organized Under Act of Congress (including Federal Credit Unions)
501(c)(2) — Title Holding Corporation for Exempt Organization
501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations
501(c)(4) — Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees
501(c)(5) — Labor, Agricultural, and Horticultural Organizations
501(c)(6) — Business Leagues, Chambers of Commerce, Real Estate Boards, etc.
501(c)(7) — Social and Recreational Clubs
501(c)(8) — Fraternal Beneficiary Societies and Associations
501(c)(9) — Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Associations
501(c)(10) — Domestic Fraternal Societies and Associations
501(c)(11) — Teachers' Retirement Fund Associations
501(c)(12) — Benevolent Life Insurance Associations, Mutual Ditch or Irrigation Companies, Mutual or Cooperative Telephone Companies, etc.
501(c)(13) — Cemetery Companies
501(c)(14) — State-Chartered Credit Unions, Mutual Reserve Funds
501(c)(15) — Mutual Insurance Companies or Associations
501(c)(16) — Cooperative Organizations to Finance Crop Operations
501(c)(17) — Supplemental Unemployment Benefit Trusts
501(c)(18) — Employee Funded Pension Trust (created before June 25, 1959)
501(c)(19) — Post or Organization of Past or Present Members of the Armed Forces
501(c)(21) — Black lung Benefit Trusts
501(c)(22) — Withdrawal Liability Payment Fund
501(c)(23) — Veterans Organization (created before 1880)
501(c)(25) — Title Holding Corporations or Trusts with Multiple Parents
501(c)(26) — State-Sponsored Organization Providing Health Coverage for High-Risk Individuals
501(c)(27) — State-Sponsored Workers' Compensation Reinsurance Organization
501(c)(28) — National Railroad Retirement Investment Trust

Colloquially, a 501(c) organization or simply "a 501(c)" is an American tax-exempt, nonprofit corporation or association


that means it includes UNIONS,too
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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its not just the (c)(3)'s

According to the IRS Publication 557, in the Organization Reference Chart section, the following is an exact list of 501(c) organization types and their corresponding descriptions.[1]

501(c)(1) — Corporations Organized Under Act of Congress (including Federal Credit Unions)
501(c)(2) — Title Holding Corporation for Exempt Organization
501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations
501(c)(4) — Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees
501(c)(5) — Labor, Agricultural, and Horticultural Organizations
501(c)(6) — Business Leagues, Chambers of Commerce, Real Estate Boards, etc.
501(c)(7) — Social and Recreational Clubs
501(c)(8) — Fraternal Beneficiary Societies and Associations
501(c)(9) — Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Associations
501(c)(10) — Domestic Fraternal Societies and Associations
501(c)(11) — Teachers' Retirement Fund Associations
501(c)(12) — Benevolent Life Insurance Associations, Mutual Ditch or Irrigation Companies, Mutual or Cooperative Telephone Companies, etc.
501(c)(13) — Cemetery Companies
501(c)(14) — State-Chartered Credit Unions, Mutual Reserve Funds
501(c)(15) — Mutual Insurance Companies or Associations
501(c)(16) — Cooperative Organizations to Finance Crop Operations
501(c)(17) — Supplemental Unemployment Benefit Trusts
501(c)(18) — Employee Funded Pension Trust (created before June 25, 1959)
501(c)(19) — Post or Organization of Past or Present Members of the Armed Forces
501(c)(21) — Black lung Benefit Trusts
501(c)(22) — Withdrawal Liability Payment Fund
501(c)(23) — Veterans Organization (created before 1880)
501(c)(25) — Title Holding Corporations or Trusts with Multiple Parents
501(c)(26) — State-Sponsored Organization Providing Health Coverage for High-Risk Individuals
501(c)(27) — State-Sponsored Workers' Compensation Reinsurance Organization
501(c)(28) — National Railroad Retirement Investment Trust

Colloquially, a 501(c) organization or simply "a 501(c)" is an American tax-exempt, nonprofit corporation or association


that means it includes UNIONS,too

Yes there are other 501(c) organizations, but since the discussion was about churches....

Last edited by Fullback32; 10-17-2011 at 12:21 PM..
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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I don't think ANY organization should have tax-exempt status... not one...
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Any church that indulges or tries to influence politics should lose thier tax exempt status. They cant have it both ways.
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