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Old 12-14-2011, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Ok, I read your link:

I'm afraid to inform you, that's not bi-partisan. 95% of Republicans voted for it and 93% of Democrats voted against it.
Mr. Wilson, be careful you have your facts straight before standing up and screaming, "you lie."

The OP's source (Washington Times) originally posted the vote as 234-190 but have since deleted the numbers.
Of course it is bipartisan, there were votes from both parties. You see, the opposite of bipartisan is "along party lines". This vote clearly wasn't along party lines.

Cheers!
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Because the GOP stuck a pipeline in the bill that they knew Obama was against.

See how that works??
Nope, its called compromise, see how that works?
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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The repugs sent bi-partisan bills to the Reid controlled senate, and Reid still rejected them out of hand.
Then the Senate could amend it pass it and send it to conference. Instead the middle class tax holiday will die in the senate. Its on the dems hands
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:52 AM
 
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I wish there were some truth in what you are saying. Maybe after the Dems retake the House and get 60-61 in the Senate, the gridlock can be broken. Rethinking Senate, may need 64-65 Dems. All Dems aren't Jackbooted Troopers like the GOP. Too many independent thinkers.
There goes mr bob.. denying facts again, an his evidence that the fact are wrong, nothing.. as usual.. worthless posting of the week.. but thanks for contributing
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Of course it is bipartisan, there were votes from both parties. You see, the opposite of bipartisan is "along party lines". This vote clearly wasn't along party lines.

Cheers!
Sorry, bipartisan isn't when a few members of the other party agree with the other party. Bipartisan is when there is a general consensus of agreement between the two parties. In this case, 95% of the vote was on politically draw lines. That's not bipartisanship.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Sorry, bipartisan isn't when a few members of the other party agree with the other party. Bipartisan is when there is a general consensus of agreement between the two parties. In this case, 95% of the vote was on politically draw lines. That's not bipartisanship.
Thankfully, you don't decide what is bipartisan, the facts do!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bipartisan
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:58 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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There are two fallacies with your argument.
The first is that "taxes are stealing." Yet, the founders didn't think that taxes where stealing, that's why they gave Congress the power to lay and collect taxes.

Second fallacy is that small or no government is good government. No thank you, I'd rather live in this country, where the government inspects the meat and has air traffic controllers making sure my airliner doesn't hit another airliner, than live in small government Afghanistan or Somalia.


I did not say no goverment, I said more goverment, meaning large goverment.

also, when the politicians in our nations capitol get up on their high horses and say that the income tax system is a voluntary one, then it is a voluntary system.

the only reason people pay the tax is the fear of goverment. if not for the fear of goverment, I would not pay the voluntary tax either.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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From the dictionary:

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bi·par·ti·san
adj
\(ˌ)bī-ˈpär-tə-zən, -sən, -ˌzan, chiefly British ˌbī-ˌpär-tə-ˈzan\
Definition of BIPARTISAN
: of, relating to, or involving members of two parties <a bipartisan commission>; specifically : marked by or involving cooperation, agreement, and compromise between two major political parties <bipartisan support for the bill>
The key is cooperation. A few members defecting isn't cooperation nor bipartisanship. You may want it to be because it validates your narrative, but it's not.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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From the dictionary:

The key is cooperation. A few members defecting isn't cooperation nor bipartisanship. You may want it to be because it validates your narrative, but it's not.
Nah, of course members from both parties voting for a bill is cooperation. You may want it to not be so, to validate your narrative, but it is.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I did not say no goverment, I said more goverment, meaning large goverment.

also, when the politicians in our nations capitol get up on their high horses and say that the income tax system is a voluntary one, then it is a voluntary system.

the only reason people pay the tax is the fear of goverment. if not for the fear of goverment, I would not pay the voluntary tax either.
1) Who said income taxes are voluntary?

2) The government isn't larger than it has been in modern times. Let's face it, the right just objects to anything Obama wants. When Bush and the GOP controlled Congress expanded Medicare Part D and when the GOP Congress usurped jurisdiction in the Terry Schiavo case, the right didn't complain about 'big government.' They largely backed it.

3) There is an "N" in government.
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