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Old 01-11-2012, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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I'm well aware of how the cervix works.
Apparently not.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:07 PM
 
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What's redundant?

Women know what being pregnant is? What does that mean?

Women who have abortions don't get an u/s? What kind of a quack would go into a uterus willy nilly without checking it out first? The pregnancy could be ectopic or a possible non-traumatic miscarriage before abortion takes place.
what do I mean? I mean women are not stupid. we know what a pregnancy is. redundant being an ultrasound to tell us what we already know. a pregnancy test is about all you need to know if you are pregnant not an u/s
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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What's redundant?

Women know what being pregnant is? What does that mean?

Women who have abortions don't get an u/s? What kind of a quack would go into a uterus willy nilly without checking it out first? The pregnancy could be ectopic or a possible non-traumatic miscarriage before abortion takes place.
There is no need to do an ultrasound to perform an abortion.

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Okay, STOP with the rudeness. I am not questioning that it happens, I am questioning 1) how it is really possible as far as anatomy and 2) how effective it even is/success rate.
Did you read my link? It's been done for years. Anatomically, no biggie. Just shove the object (hanger, coke bottle, crochet hook) through the cervix. It's real effective, sometimes maims the mother, too. Here's another snippet from the link:

The worst case I saw, and one I hope no one else will ever have to face, was that of a nurse who was admitted with what looked like a partly delivered umbilical cord. Yet as soon as we examined her, we realized that what we thought was the cord was in fact part of her intestine, which had been hooked and torn by whatever implement had been used in the abortion. It took six hours of surgery to remove the infected uterus and ovaries and repair the part of the bowel that was still functional.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:35 PM
 
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Another rude comment.

I live in reality, where people take precautions so things don't happen. If you want to be irresponsible, take your licks, just don't take a life to make yours better.
you live in reality yet can't imagine women would try to self abort using hangers? "take your licks" how callous you are. this law is just more anti choice folks wanting to do everything they can to stop abortions. women are not stupid we don't need an ultrasound to tell us were pregnant
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Old 01-12-2012, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Earth
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I think this statement is quite offensive. For what it's worth I have never had an unplanned pregnancy, nor have I had an abortion. That is quite irrelevant to the discussion and my stance.
Me, neither.
What would that matter?

I'd like to know and see where Areo got his stats that 50% of women who have abortions have more than one.
I'm sure he'll be happy to share.

(Since I don't read him, I hope someone will give me a heads up).

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Old 01-12-2012, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Another rude comment.

I live in reality, where people take precautions so things don't happen. If you want to be irresponsible, take your licks, just don't take a life to make yours better.
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I've heard of it, but anatomically speaking, it would not be an easy feat.

So yourself.

"Whhhaaaa, whhhaaaa. I can make rude comments and personal attacks.....but no one else can.

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Old 01-12-2012, 02:26 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Why go in to any major decision blind?

You want full disclosure before people get pregnant with unwanted pregnancies, let them have full disclosure when they are.

Who is it hurting? Other than those who don't understand what they are aborting?

I'm pro-abortion. Get rid of it if you can't handle it. Please, don't bring another life into this world that I and everyone else has to pay for if you can't afford the child or a child you're going to hate if you CAN afford the child...and then the kid ends up a serial killer b/c you suck as a parent.

Abort away.

Please.

Just be well informed, don't turn a blind eye and say you were "informed". I don't see why there is a problem with seeing a blob of cells you are about to abort?
That extra $150-$350 needed for an unnecessary unltrasound will just put more women and children on the public dole for YOU to pay for.

Many low income women can barely scrape together enough money for an abortion as it is....add another couple hundred bucks to the procedure then the taxpayer can pay and pay and pay instead.
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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If I didn't have a DH, I wouldn't have gotten pregnant to begin with. If I did somehow get myself pg before I was married, I would have made it work with the guy or moved back home to my parents' house.
And many women can't get the guy to help and don't have parents to run home to.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:25 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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No - but the abortion issue is ALWAYS overrun with religious viewpoints and the need to oppose one religious viewpoint on all citizens/residents.
You brought religion to the table not me
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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So you can't make a sacrifice but you expect others to do the same?

That's what it boils down to.
You just hate people who want life protected. thats what it boils down to
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