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People, when they get a civil union, they are officially married, but in most churches they don't even recognize a civil union as marriage.
And the government doesn't recognize a religious marriage. A religious authority has to be given permission by their appropriate state in order to sign a religious marriage into legal status.
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Originally Posted by personwhoisaperson
1)What do you think they did before they had marriage certificates? Or States for that matter? I suggest you look up the history of marriage.
For which culture? Each culture has a different history when it comes to marriage.
However, there is a common theme in which most institutions of marriage originated as business arrangements.
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Originally Posted by personwhoisaperson
2)And what a good debate you've presented.
I do particularly enjoy correcting people when they are flat out wrong.
Can you explain to me why, you deserve to own the word marriage and apply it only to Christians? Never in US history has marriage been a Christian institution. Why do you get to define it for the rest of humanity?
To answer this, you'd first have to tell me where I claim ownership over anything. You'd also have to point out where I've said marriage is for Christians only. Can you do that?
I told you what I believe. You believe something different. Not sure why your beliefs trump my own.
That is a pretty ridiculous statement... what about all the marriages performed by judges, mayors, captains, etc? There is no religious connection to those ceremonies at all. You've always had the ability to choose one or the other. Gay people are not asking for churches to marry them... they are asking for their civil unions to be given the same governmental acknowledgement and benefits as a union between heterosexuals.
What was rubbish about how I see your position? What specifically do you take issue with in my characterization?
I don't understand how somebody can be for gay civil unions but against gay civil marriage. They are the same frickin thing. The law is the law is the law NO MATTER WHAT IT'S CALLED. The law is the same no matter if it's titled "marriage", "union", "partnership", or "lskjasdljf".
Why are you okay with gays having access to a law titled "Civil Union" but not having access to an identical law instead titled "Civil Marriage"? Why do you feel the government should reserve the word "Marriage" within the law especially for heterosexuals? Isn't the law suppose to treat all equally? Isn't the laws suppose to be blind?
The answer is clear - because of your religious beliefs. You want the civil law to be a reflection of your particular religious beliefs. I don't share your religious beliefs and your religious traditions. Why should my civil marriage, and our civil law in general, be defined by your religious beliefs?
Marriage is a descriptive word that God has used and made known to describe a man and woman who joins as one . It is not a term to use as two women or two men.
I ask why do the gays want to use this term of the Bible=Marriage, and yet do not follow what God has to say in the Bible about marriage being only between one man and one woman? The gays want to tread down the descriptive word of God to blaspheme and disrespect God.
Marriage is a descriptive word that God has used and made known to describe a man and woman who joins as one . It is not a term to use as two women or two men.
I ask why do the gays want to use this term of the Bible=Marriage, and yet do not follow what God has to say in the Bible about marriage being only between one man and one woman? The gays want to tread down the descriptive word of God to blaspheme and disrespect God.
So no one used the term marriage before the bible was made u.....erm i mean written?
They are wrong and are not following the True Word of God.
And you happen to have chatted with him and know what his word might be then?
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